I am not IMPOSING ANYTHING on you (stop being a wimp)

I have no interest in you personally. You are an artist? Good for you (I don't care) You find the world of Absurdism comforting? Fantastic! (I don't care)

This observer answered your question.OK?PAL? What more do you want??

(July 20, 2012 at 9:43 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: This observer answered your question.OK?PAL? What more do you want??

The last word

(July 20, 2012 at 10:14 am)jonb Wrote:

(July 20, 2012 at 9:43 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: This observer answered your question.OK?PAL? What more do you want??

The last word

You got it

(July 20, 2012 at 10:18 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(July 20, 2012 at 10:14 am)jonb Wrote: The last word

You got it

Thank you, Kiss Kiss

(July 20, 2012 at 6:37 am)jonb Wrote:

(July 20, 2012 at 12:36 am)Jeffonthenet Wrote: Faith has been defined by theologians even during the protestant reformation as much as trust in God as believing that he exists. I take it to mean trusting what you know is true. For example, I may know that my best friend is 100% honest, but not trust him with my wallet. If this were the case, I would not be trusting what I know to be true, namely, that he is completely honest and so wont steal my money.

First of all Jeff I have to applaud you. I am new as you know, and I was seeing a number of theists or what purport to be theists only prepared to talk on threads which they had set up and are as bias as this one is in the other direction. As such I wondered would any theists dare to walk into into the Lions den, You are a true Daniel.

That said lets get to the nitty gritty, My lack of belief, I have not created it, it is not a wall to be broken a defence that shields me from god, I always loved the stories, the stories actually have influenced my philosophy and my personal moral code in part comes from the Abrahamic tradition, but there is no emotional response to god, if anything I don't think I would like the chap. From the earliest age I can remember I was deeply unimpressed with the concept of miracles, that one person would be sorted out while all the rest were left, or that power was just being used for show, really got under my skin and annoyed me. If this life is as often put forward by theists is a test, there is no point in testing what you know is in theist terms going to fail. Therefore is not my very existence a proof there is no god?

Hi jonb, thank you sincerely for the kind words As for your response, I sympathize with it as I have likewise felt myself to be quite justified in atheism in the past. However, there are a few ways in which this response could be toppled. The first is if there is such a thing as original sin in the Augustinian sense which means people would be guilty even before understanding the concept of God. The second is if it is the case that God is only obligated to reveal Himself to you sometime before you die. The third is if one is not deprived of heaven because a lack of belief in God, but because of other moral sins such as not giving more to the poor, or not doing more about, for example, the massive sexual slavery industry. (any lack of action seeming almost infinite in comparison to the great suffering endured by some in this world and moral obligation to relieve this suffering) The last would be that you are not truly in touch with your own heart on the matter. Any one of those options being the case would be enough to mean that your comments are consistent with the existence of the Christian God. Personally, I lean toward the third.