Quote:We don't know what happened before the big bang.

Indeed. Nor do we even know there WAS a"'before".IE it's been argued that space and time came into existence with the Big Bang.

However, I don't know that for a fact.(shit,I don't even UNDERSTAND it!) That reflects my ignorance and the limits of my intellect,it does NOT mean "God did it"


The god of the gaps* is getting so fucking OLD!

*I'm too ignorant,lacking in imagination or stupid to think of anything else and too fearful or bloody minded to admit I don't know,therefore god did it.

(September 15, 2009 at 6:27 am)padraic Wrote:

Quote:We don't know what happened before the big bang.

Indeed. Nor do we even know there WAS a"'before".IE it's been argued that space and time came into existence with the Big Bang.

However, I don't know that for a fact.(shit,I don't even UNDERSTAND it!) That reflects my ignorance and the limits of my intellect,it does NOT mean "God did it"


The god of the gaps is getting so fucking OLD!

Well there was time in a causal sense (ie chain of related events) but not as a dimension of time in our universe.

(September 15, 2009 at 2:07 am)ecolox Wrote: I already asked this - where is the atheist equivalent of Jesus?

Is a religion only valid if it has a savior in it?

Also did you not get the memo that atheism is NOT a religion?

Where's Christianity's equivalent of Xenu?

I guess it' might be too much to ask for you to grasp the ridiculousness of this statement.

Certainly a lot of reading up required.

(September 15, 2009 at 8:57 am)Eilonnwy Wrote:

(September 15, 2009 at 2:07 am)ecolox Wrote: I already asked this - where is the atheist equivalent of Jesus?

Is a religion only valid if it has a savior in it?

Also did you not get the memo that atheism is NOT a religion?

Where's Christianity's equivalent of Xenu?

I guess it' might be too much to ask for you to grasp the ridiculousness of this statement.

It WILL be too much for our mice-for-brains friend Ecolox.

@ ecolox,

You haven't responded to my last post to you in this thread yet. It's post #85.

EvF

Well... if space and time came into existance with the Big Bang, then the big Bang makes 0 more sense than a god creating it. In fact, it makes less sense.

Original Existence can only be cyclic (And therefore 1=1 ratio is necessitated in the Original Existence)

How does it make less sense?

EvF

Because the Big Bang must be justified by complex mathematics and astronomical observation... whereas a god is a simple theory. The simpler: the easier it is to understand.

(September 15, 2009 at 2:07 am)ecolox Wrote:

(September 15, 2009 at 1:31 am)theVOID Wrote: I challenge you to name a single positive action provided by religion that could not be done by a secular person! Here's a hint; you can't!

I already asked this - where is the atheist equivalent of Jesus?

Good-night theVOID, if I answer your latest concerns it will be later if ever.

My vote goes to Stephen Fry

Born of a virgin (as far as I know)
When middle aged went into the wilderness (Beligium)
And in his later life (long may it continue) preached to the ignorant.

Quote on one religion on a recent episode of QI

'I have feeling its just so much Arse'

Wise words.