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9/11 1973
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RE: 9/11 1973
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-X48fnUH8g
'Víctor Lidio Jara Martínez (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈbiktor ˈliðjo ˈxaɾa marˈtines]) (September 28, 1932 -- September 16, 1973) was a Chilean teacher, theatre director, poet, singer-songwriter, political activist and member of the Communist Party of Chile. A distinguished theatre director, he devoted himself to the development of Chilean theatre, directing a broad array of works from locally produced Chilean plays, to the classics of the world stage, to the experimental work of Ann Jellicoe. Simultaneously he developed in the field of music and played a pivotal role among neo-folkloric artists who established the Nueva Canción Chilena (New Chilean Song) movement which led to a revolution in the popular music of his country under the Salvador Allende government. Shortly after the Chilean coup of 11 September 1973, he was arrested, tortured and ultimately shot to death with 44 bullet shots by machine gun fire. His body was later thrown out into the street of a shanty town in Santiago. The contrast between the themes of his songs, on love, peace and social justice and the brutal way in which he was murdered transformed Jara into a symbol of struggle for human rights and justice across Latin America'.
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#12
RE: 9/11 1973
Why can't everyone understand America is always right?

Quote:Despite pressure from the United States government, the Chilean Congress conducted a runoff vote between the leading candidates, Allende and former president Jorge Alessandri and keeping with tradition, chose Allende by a vote of 153 to 35. Frei refused to form an alliance with Alessandri to oppose Allende, on the grounds that the Christian Democrats were a workers party and could not make common cause with the right-wing.

An economic depression that began in 1972 was exacerbated by capital flight, plummeting private investment, and withdrawal of bank deposits in response to Allende's socialist program. Production fell and unemployment rose. Allende adopted measures including price freezes, wage increases, and tax reforms, to increase consumer spending and redistribute income downward. Joint public-private public works projects helped reduce unemployment. Much of the banking sector was nationalized. Many enterprises within the copper, coal, iron, nitrate, and steel industries were expropriated, nationalized, or subjected to state intervention. Industrial output increased sharply and unemployment fell during the Allende administration's first year.

Allende's program included advancement of workers' interests, replacing the judicial system with "socialist legality", nationalization of banks and forcing others to bankruptcy, and strengthening "popular militias" known as MIR. Started under former President Frei, the Popular Unity platform also called for nationalization of Chile's major copper mines in the form of a constitutional amendment. The measure was passed unanimously by Congress. As a result, the Richard Nixon administration organized and inserted secret operatives in Chile, in order to quickly destabilize Allende’s government. In addition, American financial pressure restricted international economic credit to Chile. The economic problems were also exacerbated by Allende's public spending which was financed mostly by printing money and poor credit ratings given by commercial banks.

Simultaneously, opposition media, politicians, business guilds and other organizations helped to accelerate a campaign of domestic political and economical destabilization, some of which was helped by the United States. By early 1973, inflation was out of control. The crippled economy was further battered by prolonged and sometimes simultaneous strikes by physicians, teachers, students, truck owners, copper workers, and the small business class. On 26 May 1973, Chile’s Supreme Court, which was opposed to Allende's government, unanimously denounced the Allende disruption of the legality of the nation. Although illegal under the Chilean constitution, the court supported and strengthened Pinochet's seizure of power.

Finally, a military coup overthrew Allende on 11 September 1973. As the armed forces bombarded the presidential palace, Allende apparently committed suicide. A military junta, led by General Augusto Pinochet Ugarte, took over control of the country. The first years of the regime were marked by human rights violations. On October 1973, at least 72 people were murdered by the Caravan of Death. According to the Rettig Report and Valech Commission, at least 2,115 were killed, and at least 27,265 were tortured (including 88 children younger than 12 years old).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile
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#13
RE: 9/11 1973
I can edit and change wikipedia too.

epic fail.
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#14
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(September 13, 2012 at 3:57 am)Puddleglum Wrote: I can edit and change wikipedia too.

epic fail.

Sorry I'm having a hard time telling exactly what kind of bullshit your filled with...........would you mind telling me what part of that article, you think is a lie?
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#15
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It isn't an article-its a Wiki .Constantly changed and altered. It will say something different next week. current;ly is written as a political polemic from the left.

I have been to Chile and my friends who are Liberals (and who hated Pinnochet pant a very different view of Allende and his government from the propaganda that you and your friends here post)
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#16
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(September 14, 2012 at 12:50 am)Puddleglum Wrote: It isn't an article-its a Wiki .Constantly changed and altered. It will say something different next week. current;ly is written as a political polemic from the left.

I have been to Chile and my friends who are Liberals (and who hated Pinnochet pant a very different view of Allende and his government from the propaganda that you and your friends here post)

your mom
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#17
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Wow, what a witty come back!

you sure are a class act.
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#18
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youre like a retarded child I want to laugh.......... but I just feel so bad for you
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#19
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(September 14, 2012 at 12:50 am)Puddleglum Wrote: It isn't an article-its a Wiki .Constantly changed and altered. It will say something different next week. current;ly is written as a political polemic from the left.

You are proving yourself to be a special kind of stupid. Articles, which you have just given some kind of Puddle endoresement, don't come with over 100 citations like the Wikepedia entry. I doubt that you are prepared to refute the sources for the entry, other than to give the unsubstantiated opinion that the sources are also all left wing polemics.

(September 14, 2012 at 12:50 am)Puddleglum Wrote: I have been to Chile and my friends who are Liberals (and who hated Pinnochet pant a very different view of Allende and his government from the propaganda that you and your friends here post)

Paint a different view of Allende? If you are considering adult opinion regarding Allende that means that your friends are all at least about 70 years old.

You failed to mention what your conservative Chilean friends think. You don't actually expect me to believe that 'all' your Chilean friends are liberal, do you?

You used the word propoganda. I doubt that you have any understanding the abuse this word has taken over the last hundred years. It's original meaning was something along the lines of what we now call 'spin'. A neutral word really, more of a verb than a noun; however, it is now excusivley used in a deragatory manner eliciting the meaning of 'spin' that challenges one's pre-conceived notions.
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You failed to mention what your conservative Chilean friends think. You don't actually expect me to believe that 'all' your Chilean friends are liberal, do you?

I am acquainted with some conservatives by my friends were all liberals.

And yes my friends who remember first hand are in their fifties. I never claimed to know government ministers.

Yes all my Chilean friends are Liberals. Conservative Chileans are almost always ultra catholic nut cases. Society is very polarized in Chile. Urban liberals in Santiago live work and socialise in completely different places

You are proving yourself to be a special kind of stupid.

Compared to you lot- hardly

Articles, which you have just given some kind of Puddle endoresement, don't come with over 100 citations like the Wikepedia entry. I doubt that you are prepared to refute the sources for the entry, other than to give the unsubstantiated opinion that the sources are also all left wing polemics.



Its what has been left out and how it has been portrayed that is the issue. The whole vote by Congress- left out, the Cuban advisers -left out, the speech where Allende claims that half the country are not his citizens. The whole piece is a polemic


You used the word propoganda. I doubt that you have any understanding the abuse this word has taken over the last hundred years. It's original meaning was something along the lines of what we now call 'spin'. A neutral word really, more of a verb than a noun; however, it is now excusivley used in a deragatory manner eliciting the meaning of 'spin' that challenges one's pre-conceived notions.


Do you use all words as they were originally meant? Do you say ;proest' instead of 'protest against', when you say 'Girl' do you reallly mean a young man? No then stop being a hypocrite.

It is only someone with no knowledge of Chile to understand that you can think Pinochet a murdering asshole and Allende a childish buffoon who broke the constitution and ignored both courts and parliament.

Allende should have resigned and new elections called for.
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