(January 20, 2013 at 2:16 pm)RichardP Wrote: Debating religious nonsense is ridiculous.

I'm a libertarian and a big believer in free speech. I've been suspended many times from Catholic websites, and totally banned from a Christian one -- and I no longer bother debating with them. I realized that it was a big waste of time. However I still strongly support their right to ban people like me and run their website in the manner that they choose. And I think that we have a right to be critical of religion on this website.

I think that what you are really fighting is the voicing of opinions different than your own. We are not doing anything to anybody, we are just expressing our opinions. Are your really that afraid to hear what other people think? Or are you afraid that your religion is so fragile that some of the believers will lose their faith if they are able to read critical viewpoints? This "God" of yours is pretty weak.

of course your an libertarian.. otherwise why attack what I said and ignore the basis of why I said it?

I honestly do not care what Minnie says nor Cinjin so long as they remain with in the realm of personal opinion, and my record here shows this to be true as I do not get into opinionated shouting matches for the sake of changing what one thinks to what I think. (Which kinda blows you whole agrument in of itself.) That said I do deman accountablity when one attempts to make a change in document and accepted history, or makes an empty assertion against a well established reference book. These two have a long standing history of bullying their beliefs on to other with little to 'proof' of what they argue outside anti christian fundementalist websites.

If My call for Real Proof rather than trying to strong arm people into their beliefs by strings of obsenities and personal attacks offends your libertarian sensablities, you can simple ignore all posts with the sunflower avatar. Because I do not see myself stopping this demand for proof any time soon.

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(January 18, 2013 at 11:02 pm)Esquilax Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='388067' dateline='1358564084']
I guess the difference lies on which side of the prison wall one stands. Fairness, freedom, love.. It all available on this side of God.

Quote:So what you're saying is that so long as you haven't been wronged by this judge, then the suffering of others is okay?

(Took out unjust) Yuup. If one suffers, it is because they chose to. In this I am "pro choice."

Quote:So long as you personally aren't hurt, it's fine?

Yuup, yuup! Why? Because I chose not to suffer.

(January 20, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Drich Wrote: Yuup, yuup! Why? Because I chose not to suffer.

And after we've all taken all this time to explain to you why this is a loaded, unfair choice, you still don't get it?

... Why am I even surprised?

(January 20, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Drich Wrote: of course your an libertarian.. otherwise why attack what I said and ignore the basis of why I said it?

Oh, you're one clever little bastard, aren't you? If there's one thing that Libertarians can do much better than Christians it's backing up their arguments. If you can explain to me one Libertarian argument that attacks what somebody said and ignores the basis of why it was said, please tell me.

Quote:These two have a long standing history of bullying their beliefs on to other with little to 'proof' of what they argue outside anti christian fundementalist websites.

You're just ignoring it. They've been posting proof since the first page of this thread, and your ignorant ass has been disregarding it.

Quote:Yuup. If one suffers, it is because they chose to.

Please read this over and think about it again.

You're starting to find that on many issues Drich's mind is not merely closed, but bolted and padlocked and he's thrown away the key.

(January 21, 2013 at 12:03 am)Surtr Wrote: Oh, you're one clever little bastard, aren't you? If there's one thing that Libertarians can do much better than Christians it's backing up their arguments. If you can explain to me one Libertarian argument that attacks what somebody said and ignores the basis of why it was said, please tell me.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-16669-page-6.html Post 60 the last two paragraphs.

Quote:You're just ignoring it. They've been posting proof since the first page of this thread, and your ignorant ass has been disregarding it.

Show me where cinjin or Minnie has quoted any reference material to support one thing they said against something I have said, in this thread.

Quote:Please read this over and think about it again.

done now what?

Quote:Show me where cinjin or Minnie has quoted any reference material to support one thing they said against something I have said, in this thread.

You are a sanctimonious prick. Your own words convict you.

(January 20, 2013 at 9:27 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(January 20, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Drich Wrote: Yuup, yuup! Why? Because I chose not to suffer.

And after we've all taken all this time to explain to you why this is a loaded, unfair choice, you still don't get it?

... Why am I even surprised?

That's just it. Who cares? I spent quit a bit of time explaining to you that because you are a prisioner rightly convicted of Crimes against God (Sin) whatever judgement you levi against God will be spun to fit your sense of personal righteousness or "Morality." Making your judgement meaningless. For what authority do you stand on to challenge God? Will you seriously prade out your Morality, and try and judge god by this ever changing standard? What happens if you convict what power do you have to carry out your sentence? Just like a prisioner has no power against the man who convicted him and sentenced him to life, you have no power against god. So of course you find that you have no real choice. This is not in question nor the issue. What is what can you do about it that God will not allow you to do?

If nothing then know despite you desire for rebellion against God and all that He has established these are your ONLY Two options. Again Who cares if you do not like them. These two options are given to every living soul that has ever graced this planet. And you like everyone else will have to make a choice. A or B.

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(January 21, 2013 at 2:09 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Show me where cinjin or Minnie has quoted any reference material to support one thing they said against something I have said, in this thread.

You are a sanctimonious prick. Your own words convict you.

Again minnie show me.

(January 21, 2013 at 2:10 am)Drich Wrote: That's just it. Who cares? I spent quit a bit of time explaining to you that because you are a prisioner rightly convicted of Crimes against God (Sin) whatever judgement you levi against God will be spun to fit your sense of personal righteousness or "Morality." Making your judgement meaningless. For what authority do you stand on to challenge God? Will you seriously prade out your Morality, and try and judge god by this ever changing standard? What happens if you convict what power do you have to carry out your sentence? Just like a prisioner has no power against the man who convicted him and sentenced him to life, you have no power against god. So of course you find that you have no real choice. This is not in question nor the issue. What is what can you do about it that God will not allow you to do?

I think it's time to let you in on a little secret.

When we anti-theists talk about judging God, it is something of a joke. Your god isn't real. We don't assume he is. You can't impress us with this horse shit about righteousness and power because it is obviously a lie.

What we are, in truth, judging is the evil and immoral faith which revolves around this fictional character, and the followers who perpetuate this evil. We are judging you for being a willing accomplice in a four thousand year reign of terror overseen by priests and ministers claiming to be the earthly representatives of this false god, spilling blood in his name and doing everything imaginable to sabotage human progress unless you can control it completely.

We don't rebel against God. We rebel against your religion. And, we're winning. Bit by bit, the influence of your invented faith is diluted by secular and humanist ideals. The only reason your religion has survived is by adapting those ideals and revising your entire dogma so that it appears they were there from the start (I have to give you credit for not doing this, at least; you have been entirely forthright about the animal brutality of the faith you waste your time on).

If your God was real, you'd be right. There'd be no recourse for us and in the end, you'd be vindicated and we'd be damned. It is most unfortunate for you that this will never happen. You will die and join the rest of us in the total oblivion from whence you came, which sucks because you'll never even have the chance to feel that sense of crushing disappointment when you find out that you've wasted your life preparing for a non-existent afterlife.

I can't make you believe any of that, of course, but your opinion is as irrelevant as your superstitions. To paraphrase the great Hitch, your faith is an obsolete relic of humanity's ignorant infancy. We're growing up. You'll be discarded like the used diapers you are.

(January 20, 2013 at 12:41 pm)Drich Wrote: None of this matters to him why? Because Minnie forms an opinion and then "Well Reads" whatever he can find to support what ever garbage he has formulated, and ignores the rest. Has he ever been right? I'm sure he has, but as they say even a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and again. Minnie is little more than back ground noise, in his undocumented claims and in his attempt to dismiss The Strongs concordance proves it. Your need to focus on his ability to read rather than any real proof to support his unfounded claims about the strong's concordance, makes you a "Minnie Sheep." Get it?? Minnie sheep. I know you did not like me calling you cinny, what about Baaa or Bo peep? Well Technically Cinny would be bo peep since he seems to be your shepard. Or are you so far up his poop chute to notice you blind following?

lol Now there's some of that christian love I've come to know.
Whats even far more funny is that you don't see the irony in your statements. It is you who regularly cherry picks, it is you who googles whatever support he can find and ignores the rest. It is you who is the squirrel who finds that little nut.

You then mention my supposed "need to focus on his ability to read," and then call me a Minnie Sheep. Odd for two reasons: First, I've defended many of the members of this site against ridiculous claims. Secondly, you are a self-proclaimed sheep. So when you use the term in an insulting manner, it makes you look pretty foolish. This idiocy is elevated when you realize that even if I was a Minnie sheep, at least I'd be a follower of a living person who actually existed.

As for calling me nick names - I have no problem with you tossing me as many insults as you like, I can handle the likes of you. If you'll recall, I didn't want you calling me anything that implied that we were friends. Clearly I can see you've learned much from your lord and Savior. lmao. :eyeroll:

I love it when Drich ascends to insults. That's when he makes the most sense.

(Sorry, Drichy, you know I like you really! )