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Angrboda · February 2, 2013 at 10:55 pm

(February 2, 2013 at 10:02 pm)Jergus Baca Wrote: Hello guys I had an argument with a mormon scientist (biochemist) About an evolution, he of course believe that evolution is a big load of crap and I as a growing scientist tried to disagree with him, however I am only building my scientific knowledge and means of arguing I would like you guys to help me to first expand my knowledge and secondly to prove him wrong, I am attaching the former comment that he made and I sincerely hope that I will here some responds related to this topic and to the comment thank you.

Link: TalkOrigins.org:

T.O Wrote:Creationist claims are numerous and varied, so it is often difficult to track down information on any given claim. Plus, creationists constantly come up with new claims which need addressing. This site attempts, as much as possible, to make it easy to find rebuttals and references from the scientific community to any and all of the various creationist claims.

This is a good one-stop shopping place, however I find the best defense to creationist nonsense is truly understanding the science yourself. Evolution is a complex and deep science, and many people who attempt to defend it would do well to learn it better themselves first. The t.o site is no longer maintained (added to), but by reading the material at that site one can become better educated about the subject as a whole, and particularly the nuances that creationists like to exploit. (Talk.origins was originally a usenet newsgroup which primarily served as a place for evolutionists to answer common creationist claims, and much of the material generated is of highly professional quality.). There's probably books to recommend, but the only one I've read that's relevant is Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker, which, while good, isn't exactly a barnstormer.

Jergus Baca · February 2, 2013 at 11:01 pm

(February 2, 2013 at 10:55 pm)apophenia Wrote:
(February 2, 2013 at 10:02 pm)Jergus Baca Wrote: Hello guys I had an argument with a mormon scientist (biochemist) About an evolution, he of course believe that evolution is a big load of crap and I as a growing scientist tried to disagree with him, however I am only building my scientific knowledge and means of arguing I would like you guys to help me to first expand my knowledge and secondly to prove him wrong, I am attaching the former comment that he made and I sincerely hope that I will here some responds related to this topic and to the comment thank you.

Link: TalkOrigins.org:

T.O Wrote:Creationist claims are numerous and varied, so it is often difficult to track down information on any given claim. Plus, creationists constantly come up with new claims which need addressing. This site attempts, as much as possible, to make it easy to find rebuttals and references from the scientific community to any and all of the various creationist claims.

This is a good one-stop shopping place, however I find the best defense to creationist nonsense is truly understanding the science yourself. Evolution is a complex and deep science, and many people who attempt to defend it would do well to learn it better themselves first. The t.o site is no longer maintained (added to), but by reading the material at that site one can become better educated about the subject as a whole, and particularly the nuances that creationists like to exploit. (Talk.origins was originally a usenet newsgroup which primarily served as a place for evolutionists to answer common creationist claims, and much of the material generated is of highly professional quality.). There's probably books to recommend, but the only one I've read that's relevant is Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker, which, while good, isn't exactly a barnstormer.

Hello apopphenia thank you very much for repling yes i am actually in process of reading blind watchmaker and indeed am studying biology for quite a while now, but excuse me for not knowing all about it as you said it is a very diverse subject and equally complex as well, I have the sight bookmarked and have read through it couple of times but I am perhaps struck by his comment because it is rather unusual one he does of course has a great knowledge of science on biochemical level and although I do have an idea how to disprove him wrong I rather want to double check with more experienced evolutionary biologist if there is one.

with regards Jergus

KichigaiNeko · February 3, 2013 at 12:02 am

Jergus

paulpablo · February 3, 2013 at 2:03 am

2 things stand out, well several but the 2 most obvious points.

1 hes a mormon, he believes joseph smith, the known con artist, is a prophet from god, and that he found a bible that no one else was allowed to see in america.

2 he said natural selection makes sense but not to turn monkeys into humans, the theory of evolution is about a creature LIKE an ape evolved into a human, the ape itself probably did decend from an animal LIKE a monkey.

What evidence do people want for evoloution?

If evolution was true we would see fossils of animals changing slightly over time, we have it.

If evolution wasnt true we would have very very ancient fossils of man which are the same as modern man, we dont have that.

If religion was true we would have fossils of huge 90 ft tall men, we dont have that we have fossils of dinosaurs.

If evolution was true we could observe it at the microscopic level on micro organisms, we can

if evolution wasnt true every single species of animal that has ever gone extinct which is about 95 percent of all life on this planet would have had to all have been on the planet at the same time, thats including the life we have on the planet now would have also had to have been there if it didnt evolve from these animals.

DNA evidence would show we are all related if evolution was true, it does.

The best argument religious people have is "nah its too complicated god must have done that"

How can he say natural selection makes sense, when natural selection is based on beneficial mutations then at the same time say beneficial mutations cant occour because they ALWAYS make the animal sterile?

Jergus Baca · February 3, 2013 at 8:09 am

This was the whole "debate" between me and the moron i mean mormon:

paulpablo · February 3, 2013 at 9:23 am

Quote:DNA does not change unless a mutation occurs, mutations in chromosomes create a sterile host, so cannot reproduce

i dont know if this is true, there are examples of beneficial mutations though,

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...224AAMa1ie

Jergus Baca · February 3, 2013 at 9:35 am

That is precisely what i was thinking but I hesitated, I did not wanted to post something that I am not hundred percent certain of

Nine · February 3, 2013 at 9:42 am

Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:The counter argument is "bollocks!", followed by much pointing and laughing.

http://atheistforums.org/index.php?actio...box&page=3

**Cyberman** · February 3, 2013 at 12:25 pm

One for the Hall of Wit and Epicness, I fancy.

Nine · February 3, 2013 at 12:28 pm

(February 3, 2013 at 12:25 pm)Stimbo Wrote: One for the Hall of Wit and Epicness, I fancy.

Done.

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