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Does Quran teach peace or war?
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Does Quran teach peace or war?
The thing with ethics/morals is that a lot of it is with the situation, and is not absolute, but conditional.

In Quran, it stated:

وَإِنْ جَنَحُوا لِلسَّلْمِ فَاجْنَحْ لَهَا وَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ {61}
[Shakir 8:61] And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

وَقَاتِلُوا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلَا تَعْتَدُوا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ {190}
[Shakir 2:190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُوا وَلَا تَقُولُوا لِمَنْ أَلْقَىٰ إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَامَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا تَبْتَغُونَ عَرَضَ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا فَعِنْدَ اللَّهِ مَغَانِمُ كَثِيرَةٌ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ كُنْتُمْ مِنْ قَبْلُ فَمَنَّ اللَّهُ عَلَيْكُمْ فَتَبَيَّنُوا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرًا {94}
[Shakir 4:94] O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace: You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of what you do.

إِلَّا الَّذِينَ يَصِلُونَ إِلَىٰ قَوْمٍ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَهُمْ مِيثَاقٌ أَوْ جَاءُوكُمْ حَصِرَتْ صُدُورُهُمْ أَنْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ أَوْ يُقَاتِلُوا قَوْمَهُمْ ۚ وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَسَلَّطَهُمْ عَلَيْكُمْ فَلَقَاتَلُوكُمْ ۚ فَإِنِ اعْتَزَلُوكُمْ فَلَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ وَأَلْقَوْا إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَمَ فَمَا جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ سَبِيلًا {90}
[Shakir 4:90] Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.



Now these verses are obviously teaching to fight only those who fight you and to be at peace with people who are at peace with you.

Now these verses were conditional. It had to do with the situation of that time and place.

When it talked about disbelievers or people of the book, it was talking about the particular people in that region. And even so, it meant it in a general sense, not a universal absolute sense.

[Shakir 9:3] And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.

إِلَّا الَّذِينَ عَاهَدْتُمْ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَنْقُصُوكُمْ شَيْئًا وَلَمْ يُظَاهِرُوا عَلَيْكُمْ أَحَدًا فَأَتِمُّوا إِلَيْهِمْ عَهْدَهُمْ إِلَىٰ مُدَّتِهِمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُتَّقِينَ {4}
[Shakir 9:4] Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).

فَإِذَا انْسَلَخَ الْأَشْهُرُ الْحُرُمُ فَاقْتُلُوا الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَيْثُ وَجَدْتُمُوهُمْ وَخُذُوهُمْ وَاحْصُرُوهُمْ وَاقْعُدُوا لَهُمْ كُلَّ مَرْصَدٍ ۚ فَإِنْ تَابُوا وَأَقَامُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَآتَوُا الزَّكَاةَ فَخَلُّوا سَبِيلَهُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ {5}
[Shakir 9:5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

وَإِنْ أَحَدٌ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ اسْتَجَارَكَ فَأَجِرْهُ حَتَّىٰ يَسْمَعَ كَلَامَ اللَّهِ ثُمَّ أَبْلِغْهُ مَأْمَنَهُ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ {6}
[Shakir 9:6] And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

كَيْفَ يَكُونُ لِلْمُشْرِكِينَ عَهْدٌ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ وَعِنْدَ رَسُولِهِ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ عَاهَدْتُمْ عِنْدَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ ۖ فَمَا اسْتَقَامُوا لَكُمْ فَاسْتَقِيمُوا لَهُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُتَّقِينَ {7}
[Shakir 9:7] How can there be an agreement for the idolaters with Allah and with His Messenger; except those with whom you made an agreement at the Sacred Mosque? So as long as they are true to you, be true to them; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).

كَيْفَ وَإِنْ يَظْهَرُوا عَلَيْكُمْ لَا يَرْقُبُوا فِيكُمْ إِلًّا وَلَا ذِمَّةً ۚ يُرْضُونَكُمْ بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَتَأْبَىٰ قُلُوبُهُمْ وَأَكْثَرُهُمْ فَاسِقُونَ {8}
[Shakir 9:8] How (can it be)! while if they prevail against you, they would not pay regard in your case to ties of relationship, nor those of covenant; they please you with their mouths while their hearts do not consent; and most of them are transgressors.

If anyone reads these verses honestly, they will realize that while it's talking about polytheists in general, it's particular to the people of that region, and it has made people who kept true to their treaties an exception.

One can also see that it is context that the disbelievers of that region were breaking their treaties and had no intention of keeping the peace, that it suggested to fight them, before they get the upper hand and attack when Muslims are not ready for such an attack.

It's telling them however to remain true to those who remained true to their treaties.

The verses of killing disbelievers wherever you find them and the people of the book till they pay jazeeya is in this Surah, however, the context is that these people kept on breaking their treaties, and so had no intention of peace.

Does this make all the verses teaching to be at peace with those who incline to peace go away?

No of course not. It's the situation. If nations truly want peace, and incline to it, Muslims must accept peace.

Of course all this is conditional, it's another thing if a nation invades your land and then tells you, after conquering your land, it wants peace. That's a different situation.

But the commands of peace obviously show the spirit of Quran with regards to war. It seeks peace primarily and only war if the other side is inclined to violence or oppression.

This is my understanding of Quran. I don't believe in Quran but I feel people are dishonest when they say Islam doesn't teach peace but to kill all infidels and what not.
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RE: Does Quran teach peace or war?
the problem is the quran doesnt teach anything, you can get it to say whatever you want.
you can beat women you can respect women you can kill the infidels you can make peace with the infidels.
if theres a book that says fight them only when they fight you, then it means nothing.
who are them? who are you? is it a group meaning? could a muslim hurt random americans because another american hurt another muslim? does the term you mean any muslim in the entire world? what does fight actually mean? it could mean fight with words with ideas with government policy.
why does it say if allah had pleased he would have given them power to fight you? then surely this means allah has been giving power to the american and jewish military all this time. you can take whatever you want from it.
when muslims win a battle or shoot down a plane its because of allah but when israel or america is overpowering them which is most of the time its because of satan, the quran is really saying absolutely nothing and teaching nothing and muslims are learning whatever lessons they want to make up in their heads at the time, which isnt actually learning.


Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.

Impersonation is treason.





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#3
RE: Does Quran teach peace or war?
In that case (though I disagree with you) - people shouldn't say Quran teaches to kill all infidels.
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RE: Does Quran teach peace or war?
(March 3, 2013 at 9:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In that case (though I disagree with you) - people shouldn't say Quran teaches to kill all infidels.

It doesn't really matter whether you or a million other people disagree with me. History shows that some muslims CAN and DO interpret the quran to mean kill infidels and that terrorism is ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMOJ3IR23YA

It didn't exactly take me a long time to find that video either and i wasn't even searching for it, i was searching for a video for another topic about christian and muslim propaganda i wanted to start a thread on.


Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.

Impersonation is treason.





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RE: Does Quran teach peace or war?
Like all religions it doesn't matter wtf it says.

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What matters is what people read into it.
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RE: Does Quran teach peace or war?
(March 3, 2013 at 10:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: What matters is what people read into it.

Majority of Muslims believe it teaches peace. That is how most read into it
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#7
RE: Does Quran teach peace or war?
Then they should speak out and denounce the extremists who are giving them a bad name.
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RE: Does Quran teach peace or war?
(March 3, 2013 at 11:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Then they should speak out and denounce the extremists who are giving them a bad name.

C'mon Min...everyone knows that Mohammed Atta wasn't a REAL muslim.
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RE: Does Quran teach peace or war?
(March 3, 2013 at 11:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Then they should speak out and denounce the extremists who are giving them a bad name.

They do speak out. There is conferences about how Islam is a religion of peace. I know Ayatollah's are writing books about what Islam teaches regarding war and peace, you can find them on http://www.al-islam.org. And protesters come out with signs that Islam teaches peace and condemn terrorism. At Friday Prayers - the leaders often talk about how Islam teaches peace and kindness.

The thing is the media pays no attention to this. It focuses on the negative preachers.

Here is some more verses:

عَسَى اللَّهُ أَنْ يَجْعَلَ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَ الَّذِينَ عَادَيْتُمْ مِنْهُمْ مَوَدَّةً ۚ وَاللَّهُ قَدِيرٌ ۚ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ {7}
[Shakir 60:7] It may be that Allah will bring about friendship between you and those whom you hold to be your enemies among them; and Allah is Powerful; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
لَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ أَنْ تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ {8}
[Shakir 60:8] Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.
إِنَّمَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَأَخْرَجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ وَظَاهَرُوا عَلَىٰ إِخْرَاجِكُمْ أَنْ تَوَلَّوْهُمْ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ {9}
[Shakir 60:9] Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.

Muslims constantly condemn terrorism. They constantly emphasize Islam teaches peace.

But then they are told, they are either deceiving or uneducated about their own holy book, and that in fact, Islam teaches to kill and murder infidels.

It's really unfair.

Tell me - was there ever a Muslim that came on this forum and told you Islam does teach to kill all infidels and terrorism is ok?

Or do you get the opposite message from every Muslim that comes here?
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RE: Does Quran teach peace or war?
(March 3, 2013 at 11:46 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I know Ayatollah's are writing books about what Islam teaches regarding war and peace, you can find them on http://www.al-islam.org. And protesters come out with signs that Islam teaches peace and condemn terrorism.

Your position is fucked. How can you use 'protesters come out with signs that Islam teaches peace' while supporting the proposition that Islam is a religion of peace. If it were, then why do Muslims have to 'protest' the religion for peace?
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