(May 6, 2013 at 4:59 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Words only have the power that we allow them to. If vulgar language bothers you, ignore it. We value freedom of speech too much to try and regulate the words that people use.

And it might just be me, but a plentiful vocabulary has got lots of swear words as well. Synonyms FTW!

Fuckin'-A.

(May 6, 2013 at 4:42 pm)Insanity x Wrote:

(May 6, 2013 at 3:54 pm)Harris Wrote: It is something shameful what I find on the “atheist” site that I have not met on any religious site. It is the use of extreme vulgar language and disrespect to each other. We can argue on each other’s point of view but argument doesn’t mean use of language that is reprehensible and inhumane.

The religious harp on about an eternity of torture for people and even think its a good thing, but think a few 'naughty' words are awful. Most of the words are about sex or sexual organs anyway. So unless you find human reproduction inhumane I see no reason to moan about it.

(May 6, 2013 at 3:54 pm)Harris Wrote: What I found after reading many threads on this site as if the real joy and pleasure of an atheist is to tease and degrade a person, who has faith in God, down to the level of low life, which is an act of extreme immorality. As if atheist is a little boy, who has pushed his fingers into his ears and starts shouting loudly for the purpose to humiliate the speaker and this act of his becomes the source of his pleasure. In atheism, I feel there is zero tolerance among its followers. To devaluate a person and run away mischievously is very easy compared to stand firm and answer with reasons by being within the limits of respect and grace. We are here to learn from each other not to kill each other. Anyway, knowing all possible harsh consequences in response to my critique on atheism, I still dare to post a question here in hope to enter in a healthy discussion instead of receiving shocking words.

(May 6, 2013 at 3:54 pm)Harris Wrote: Question:
Atheist believes Universe pops out of nothing.

I do? I'm pretty sure I don't know where it came from. I just don't blame magic creatures who want to hurt me if I don't believe in them for no reason.

In all honesty, I agree with the OP because when I first began posting on here (and I'll always remember the fact that you're the first person Insanity x to reply to me in such a nice fashion, first impressions count lol) things were ok. But then the vulgarity kicked in, I've actually had a discussion with a few mods about this but it seems like this is the "culture" of the forum, where attempts at debating is met with obscenities haha. I've grown immune to it now so it doesn't matter, I just ignore the vile and try to focus on whatever substance exists. I just can't imagine people repeatedly swearing and being abusive in real life and there are people on here notorious for swearing on practically every post, it's pretty hilarious.

(May 6, 2013 at 3:54 pm)Harris Wrote: It is the use of extreme vulgar language and disrespect to each other. We can argue on each other’s point of view but argument doesn’t mean use of language that is reprehensible and inhumane.

You see, I like reprehensible and inhumane language.

Fuck Mohamed and the Buraq he flew in on!

Generally, I like to show disrespect to ridiculous religious icons - Jesus, Yahweh, Mohamed, Allah. The lot of them.

JHC's posting strategy - if it makes me laugh/twitter/snicker/smirk/roll eyes, I'm probably gonna be a-postin' it.

I swear just as much in real life as I do on these forums, except when my son is around. I've never understood why some people get so up-in-arms about this so-called "vulgar" language. They're just words, and by being offended by them, you're giving them a power that they otherwise would not have.

This is a loosely-moderated forum. I have been on Muslim forums that were loosely moderated and seen comments about atheists comparing us to donkey excrement or maggots. It takes more than not using 'dirty' words to make a person civil, and use of 'dirty' words alone isn't enough to justify callling someone uncivil.

This forum allows strong language. You're going to see strong language in any forum that allows it. If you spent time in JREF and concluded atheists never swear, you'd be just as wrong, for the same reason: you can't generalize about a whole demographic from what some of them say on the internet.

(May 6, 2013 at 5:17 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I swear just as much in real life as I do on these forums, except when my son is around. I've never understood why some people get so up-in-arms about this so-called "vulgar" language. They're just words, and by being offended by them, you're giving them a power that they otherwise would not have.

So they are "just words" and people shouldn't be "offended" by them or give a "power" to them and yet you do not swear around your son as much as on this forum or in real life. Why? I thought they were "just words" No need to give them "power"

(May 6, 2013 at 5:33 pm)mo66 Wrote: So they are "just words" and people shouldn't be "offended" by them or give a "power" to them and yet you do not swear around your son as much as on this forum or in real life. Why? I thought they were "just words" No need to give them "power"

Because as it has been shown in this thread, some still get upset by 'dirty' words and kids unfortunately seldom have the sensitivity to censure themselves around silly people who take offence in such language.

(May 6, 2013 at 5:33 pm)mo66 Wrote: So they are "just words" and people shouldn't be "offended" by them or give a "power" to them and yet you do not swear around your son as much as on this forum or in real life. Why? I thought they were "just words" No need to give them "power"

Because the social convention is that kids could not swear, and I do not want other people to judge him based on the words he copies from his father. Oh, and my wife would kick my ass.

If people weren't so uptight about it, I wouldn't give a shit if my son swears.

“Once more, atheism is only about the stance one takes regarding gods. An atheist does not believe in gods. That has nothing to do with how the universe came into being.”

I respect your views about God as you might have come to this view for some reason. My point is not to prove there is God rather to understand if atheism don’t believe that Universe pops out of nothingness and on the other side atheism denies the existence of God then what is the middle path. Alternatively, can I take the fact that atheism is wandering in darkness about origin of Universe?


“The religious harp on about an eternity of torture for people and even think its a good thing, but think a few 'naughty' words are awful. Most of the words are about sex or sexual organs anyway. So unless you find human reproduction inhumane I see no reason to moan about it.”

I am a married man and I love my family and my relation with my wife. I respect my family. As I respect my family, I try not to bring torture to my wife by going with another woman or by using disgraceful language with my loved ones. I try not to hurt someone’s feeling in no way. This is what religion is all about. I do agree that religion is misused brutally in the history and in today’s world it’s a tool for hypocrite but again religion is not one to be blamed it is the user who is responsible for distorting good and useful things into cunning ones.. For instance if I say Stalin and Mao have killed innocent people then for this I can’t blame atheism similarly if Hitler has killed millions of people then for that reason I can’t blame Christianity. I will blame the users not the tool. Another example, if homosexual marriages are happening in the churches I don’t blame bible for that its again the user. Remember purpose of tools are originally to make your life easy but if you distort them to harm others then you are responsible not the tools.

“I do? I'm pretty sure I don't know where it came from. I just don't blame magic creatures who want to hurt me if I don't believe in them for no reason.”

If you believe that Universe comes out of nothingness then can you give explanation of nothingness?
You have your reason to believe or not to believe in any effect behind any cause. If you don’t know something that doesn’t mean that thing is non-existing. It may exist or may not. The only thing is just don’t give up any try to keep searching your answers. What science is telling and how you observe the things in nature is the best place to start.

“Sure it matters. The 'inhumane' language you speak of is always inhumane and doesn't have any 'good' uses. Knives were created for good use, and are misused to harm people.”

So do you agree that it is the user of a knife to be blamed not the manufacturer?

“Words only have the power that we allow them to. If vulgar language bothers you, ignore it. We value freedom of speech too much to try and regulate the words that people use.”

What is important for an atheist, freedom of speech or respect to other human beings? I am talking about general peaceful human beings who are living peacefully without being part of troublemakers (whether they are religious or secular characters)

“As for the hostility, it is hard for some people to be polite to others that believe that atheists are immoral and deserve to burn in hell for eternity. Such beliefs are equally offensive as calling someone an "asshole," only they are weakly draped in the guise of religious dogma.”

Don’t be afraid of me. If you say me ASSHOLE I will not send you in Hell. I can’t send you in Hell. No man on earth can send you in Hell no matter he is Putin, O Bama, or Antichrist. If someone say you go to Hell answer him Go to Paradise and that will balance the equation. It is easy to make enemies than to make friends.

“As for where the universe came from, I don't know, but that doesn't mean that god did it.”

Okay, if God has not made the universe then in rational sense what you think from where it comes? Science don’t have answer and in existence of God you don’t believe. So where are you standing then?