Shouldn't he? I'm not aware of the social conventions among muslims... can't men talk to women?

(May 7, 2013 at 11:08 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

Ya know, around about his second post the whining started. Poor wee lamb.

Nah I call troll and say goodbye. After all IF he is a good muslim he shouldn't be talking to me at all now should "he" ?

I will respect your request.

(May 7, 2013 at 10:28 am)Harris Wrote:

(May 7, 2013 at 9:02 am)paulpablo Wrote: As someone who has been on several muslim forums for long periods of time before being banned I know the sort of language you can hear from these places is no better than the atheist forums.

I've heard of blatant support for terrorism, insults like kuffar scum, been told I should have my face rubbed in the dirt, been called a moron an idiot a racist, while at the same time listening to them talk casually about their hatred for entire nations.

But it is a nice idea to have all forums not being bias towards the beliefs or non beliefs they represent but I don't see it happening.

I don't know what nothingness is or how somethingness popped out of it so I can't help you there.

Do you find it a just act to retaliate a person simply because he is Muslim and some other Muslim have done something wrong with you. If Hitler has killed Jews does that means now Jews have to take retaliation with innocent people because they are Christian?

No and I also didn't even claim that I do this either, I didn't say muslims called me kuffar scum and a moron and stupid and so therefore I do the same to them.

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Quote:It is something shameful what I find on the “atheist” site that I have not met on any religious site.

You said this, I am saying that contrary to this I have often found muslims to be very aggressive and insulting towards atheists or people who don't believe what they believe in general.

(May 7, 2013 at 8:51 am)Harris Wrote:

Darkstar Wrote:If you want to discuss the OP then you must also ignore being insulted and just discuss the 12% of your OP that was actually on topic.

See, I don't want to get involved in responding hateful Quotes. What you expect from me to ignore fateful responses or refute them?

Uh, you started this with your OP. I guarantee that if you had only asked about nothingness, there wouldn't be all of these disrespectful responses. This is the point I am trying to make. You were disrespectful to us before anyone said anything to you, and so people were rude in return. At some point someone has to stop the cycle. Fortunately for you, I have pretty thick skin (metaphorically, of course) so I never started.

(May 7, 2013 at 8:51 am)Harris Wrote: Coming to your point, if you think nothingness is not existing as well as God is not existing so what in your rational thoughts is the picture about beginning of everything. Are you waiting for science to find out the answer and don't bother till that time?

Other than having the answer magically revealed to us, how would any theory we come up with be anything more than speculation? Maybe if we were all physicists we could have a discussion about that origin of the universe that was only 90% speculation, but we aren't. I will suspend judgment until the experts have something substantial to report.

Quote:I am a Muslim and student of philosophy and comparative religions.

Kindly go blow your god out your ass. I'm tired of the pious prattle from people like you.

Provide evidence that your god exists or STFU.

(May 7, 2013 at 7:19 am)Harris Wrote:

(May 7, 2013 at 2:05 am)apophenia Wrote: Honestly, with the possible exception of Rayaan, I've yet to meet a single Muslim on this forum who wasn't a complete and total fucktard. These Muslims make Christians like GC look like Rhodes scholars.

And for what it's worth, I didn't feel humiliated by your OP, I felt insulted and offended, and a bit outraged. You're just another culturally insensitive bigot, here to tell us how your bigotry is justified and well-founded. That's certainly something we've never seen before. I think you caught us by surprise on that one.

Look at my post and responses open-minded. Don’t be conservative. Its not me who had showed extreme attitude so far. Because you guys have a formula “look at Muslim not as man but animal” and this hinders you to look what is correct and what is wrong. I ask you to go all over my responses with a cool mind and try to analyse how I have responded to all of yours attacks.

You don't know what I feel. You don't know what's in my heart, or that of any other person here, until you ask them. But you think you do, and you think the lies you've been told about atheists are true, so you project them onto these people. I can assure you that I do go over your responses with a cool mind,
and what I see is a lot of stereotyping of atheists in order to put them down, and a lot of very tired anti-atheist cliches. Moreover, atheists have seen the same "criticisms" from other religious people, and they are almost always the same, so it's patently obvious that these "criticisms" are manufactured by religious people and spread with the purpose of opposing non-religious people. (We get the "atheists are foul mouthed" whine multiple times each year.)

Atheists spend a lot of time researching the facts of religion so that they can know what they are talking about when they criticize religion. Religious people generally don't care about the facts of atheism, so they often just make up lies that sound good in order to put atheists down.

You don't want people to stereotype you as a Muslim? Try not stereotyping other people for their atheism. Or better yet, try not swallowing every anti-atheist lie you've been taught.

It's not you who showed extreme attitude? That's bullshit. Your first post was extreme. Is it your contention that your first words to another should be criticism?
If you were introduced to some Amish people, would you open up by telling them you thought they were stupid for not embracing electrical conveniences and dancing?
Do you introduce yourself to someone new by saying, "Hi. My name is Harris. And by the way, that dress makes you look fat." Of course you don't. So why is it appropriate here?
(Beyond the fact that your criticisms are false or misleading.)

My response to you is as cool as it is pointless, as I know people like you are too wrapped up in their biases, and too stupid, to ever climb down and experience what's really going on around them.

I'm not offended because you are a Muslim. I'm offended because you are stupidly repeating hateful lies about the people I love in order to spread your religion.

(May 7, 2013 at 9:02 am)Tonus Wrote: But words do have meaning, and language does transmit intent. Telling someone "leave me alone" is passive and weak but it gets the meaning across. Telling them "fuck off, asshole" gets the same meaning across, but the intent is aggressive. A person may comply with the first request more easily because it makes them feel in control, whereas they are more likely to instigate a confrontation in response to the latter because it's an attempt to force them into a subordinate position, and they'll subconsciously react to that.

Sure, sure. But in the case of telling someone to fuck off, it's the intent behind the words, not the actual word usage that is offensive, and as you said, the "fuck" adds an extra layer of aggressiveness. Still, that doesn't make the word "fuck" offensive in and of itself. My point was addressing the idea that words like "fuck" have this inherent offensiveness that is conveyed regardless of their usage. For instance, if I was to say, "I fucking love that movie," and someone was to get offended by the word "fucking," they are giving that word a power that it does not otherwise have.

(May 6, 2013 at 3:54 pm)Harris Wrote: Anyway, knowing all possible harsh consequences in response to my critique on atheism, I still dare to post a question here in hope to enter in a healthy discussion instead of receiving shocking words.

Well, that didn't go so well, now did it?

Your "critique" was ever so devastating after all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM

I would agree with you Harris...but every time I start reading the thread, I read it with an accent and can't understand anything you're saying!!