(May 28, 2013 at 5:24 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Is it always morally wrong to violate the moral laws derived by the particular society a person lives in? Is it therefore not morally wrong for members from one society to murder and rape the members of another society?

My morals are based on my societal norms which means that, to me, it would be morally wrong to rape and murder anyone, regardless of society.

(May 28, 2013 at 5:24 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: So homosexuality is morally wrong in the Middle East and they are morally justified in stoning homosexuals?

From their point of view, yes.

You find this stance deplorable because of your own societal morals. I daresay that you would find their methods perfectly acceptable had you grown up in that society.

(May 28, 2013 at 5:25 pm)ideologue08 Wrote:

(May 28, 2013 at 5:24 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: So homosexuality is morally wrong in the Middle East and they are morally justified in stoning homosexuals?

Where do they stone homosexuals in the Middle East? I've been there and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Yeah, Stat made a minor error. Homosexuals are put to death by hanging, not stoning.

(May 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm)cato123 Wrote: Yeah, Stat made a minor error. Homosexuals are put to death by hanging, not stoning.

Even then it's only Iran. No other country has homosexuality as a criminal offence. Being a homosexual in and of itself is not a crime (in fact there are quite a bit of homosexuals in all Muslim countries), but engaging in sodomy is a capital offense in Saudi Arabia, punishable by public beheading, not hanging. And other Middle Eastern countries don't even punish that.

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Pretty much sums up the point about morality and its relations to society: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes....l-research

(May 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm)ideologue08 Wrote: Being a homosexual in and of itself is not a crime (in fact there are quite a bit of homosexuals in all Muslim countries), but engaging in sodomy is a capital offense in Saudi Arabia, punishable by public beheading, not hanging.

You are right. Public beheading is wwwwaaaaaayyyyy better than hanging or stoning. So sorry about getting that little MORAL point incorrect.

(May 28, 2013 at 5:54 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: You are right. Public beheading is wwwwaaaaaayyyyy better than hanging or stoning. So sorry about getting that little MORAL point incorrect.

This is not about what's better or worse, this is about the facts, something apparently you don't care about. These are the facts:

1. Homosexuality is not a criminal offence anywhere in the Mid-east apart from Iran.
2. Homosexuality is not punishable by stoning anywhere in the Mid-east.
3. Homosexuality is punishable by hanging in Iran.
4. Sodomy is punishable by public heading in Saudi Arabia.

(May 28, 2013 at 5:59 pm)ideologue08 Wrote:

(May 28, 2013 at 5:54 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: You are right. Public beheading is wwwwaaaaaayyyyy better than hanging or stoning. So sorry about getting that little MORAL point incorrect.

This is not about what's better or worse, this is about the facts, something apparently you don't care about. These are the facts:

1. Homosexuality is not a criminal offence anywhere in the Mid-east apart from Iran.
2. Homosexuality is not punishable by stoning anywhere in the Mid-east.
3. Homosexuality is punishable by hanging in Iran.
4. Sodomy is punishable by public heading in Saudi Arabia.

You must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit.

My initial statement was that these activities are morally acceptable in those cultures. Who really gives a fuck about the details of where and how??

(May 28, 2013 at 6:03 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: You must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit.

My initial statement was that these activities are morally acceptable in those cultures. Who really gives a fuck about the details of where and how??

But obviously you do give a shit, otherwise;

a) you wouldn't have responded and
b) you wouldn't have apologized for getting it wrong.

The question really is; who gives a shit about your initial statement? Especially now that you don't care about the facts, that's not a very productive debate is it? Chucking in false statements here, there and everywhere.

(May 28, 2013 at 5:59 pm)ideologue08 Wrote: 1. Homosexuality is not a criminal offence anywhere in the Mid-east apart from Iran.

You really should learn how to use an internet search engine before making ridiculous statements.

(May 28, 2013 at 6:22 pm)cato123 Wrote: You really should learn how to use an internet search engine before making ridiculous statements.

I already know how to use it but alas, I don't need it. I've been to quite a few countries in the Mid-east, I've even been to the execution squares of KSA and questioned many people over there, so I kinda know what I'm talking about thank you very much

(May 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm)ideologue08 Wrote:

(May 28, 2013 at 6:22 pm)cato123 Wrote: You really should learn how to use an internet search engine before making ridiculous statements.

I already know how to use it but alas, I don't need it. I've been to quite a few countries in the Mid-east, I've even been to the execution squares of KSA and questioned many people over there, so I kinda know what I'm talking about thank you very much

Obviously not.