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RE: Assuming God?
May 30, 2013 at 11:35 am
(May 30, 2013 at 9:35 am)Drich Wrote: What passes as 'atheism' on this board is truly misotheism. The Hate of God. But the reason "atheist" do not accept this title is because they will have to acknoweledge that they do believe in God. (You have to believe in something to hate it.) Few if any have the marbles to own up to their hate. (probably because deep down they do not have complete faith in their "atheism.")
It's impossible to hate something like god that doesn't exist. What atheists hate are people who impose their religion on everyone else. These people try in every way to get creastionism to be taught in science class, want prayers in class or at official ceremony, paint evolution or global warming as hoaxes. In fact, too many are anti-science, and for good reasons, as science has debunked many of their beloved beliefs. So yeah, we are on opposite sides on too many issues, and the theists are losing BIG.
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RE: Assuming God?
May 30, 2013 at 11:46 am
(May 30, 2013 at 8:49 am)LastPoet Wrote: I bet he/she assumes santa claus, the fairy tooth, the boogeyman to deny them, therefore he believes in them. It is a simple contradiction, as in terms of belief either you believe or you do not. It is a rather infantile argument to use. To be fair, theists are usually the kind of people who really did believe in things like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as children.
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RE: Assuming God?
May 30, 2013 at 11:50 am
(This post was last modified: May 30, 2013 at 11:50 am by Mister Agenda.)
(May 30, 2013 at 10:09 am)ronedee Wrote: Well.... it begs the question why you are here debating God. If something doesn't exist whats the point...on your end?
I've never found anything else to discuss that's as rich with opportunities to identify fallacies as the existence of God. It's good exercise for the mind without requiring more intelligence than I have to work with.
(May 30, 2013 at 10:09 am)ronedee Wrote: I mean...would you show up in a desert with your swimming trunks?
I visited Las Vegas last summer, so I have brought swimming trunks to a desert. Although your analogy wouldn't track even if it was better, as showing up to a discussion board ready to discuss is like showing up to a skating rink with skates.
(May 30, 2013 at 10:09 am)ronedee Wrote: Or is this the "support group" for recovering Christians?
If it were, we wouldn't allow Christians, would we?
(May 30, 2013 at 10:09 am)ronedee Wrote: There is more reasons for us (Christians) to be here than you and your ilk.
On a discussion board entitiled Atheist Forums? I did not see that coming. Does that mean I have more reasons to be at Theist Forums than I do to be here (assuming theists could set aside their differences enough to share a forum)? Could you elaborate on those reasons, please?
(May 30, 2013 at 10:09 am)ronedee Wrote: So, in essence your friend is right! We were all (or most) brought up to believe in God. You and the others are fighting that formation.
His friend is an advertisement for how damaging a dogmatic religion can be to one's thought processes. Most of us were brought up to believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy, too. We didn't fight those 'formations', we just grew out of them.
(May 30, 2013 at 10:09 am)ronedee Wrote: But...God's Truth won't be denied. The problem with most atheists is that they seek God with there minds instead of their hearts!
The only arena where relying on emotion and intuition can be argued to give more reliable results than considered analysis is in making split-second decisions. When your heart reaches a conclusion at variance with considered reflection when you've had time to do so, it's usually the heart that's wrong. Witness how often people stay in bad relationships long after they know they're in a bad relationship. Pretty much any time someone tells you to listen with your heart instead of your mind, they're trying to sell you something you shouldn't buy.
(May 30, 2013 at 10:09 am)ronedee Wrote: You have it backwards. "Seek ye first the kingdom of God...and all things will be added to you." The kingdom is hiding within you! Search your heart and your mind will follow! Amen.
Something that would be bad advice in nearly any other context suddenly becomes good advice when looking for God? I don't think so. It is the nature of the heart to tell you what you WANT to hear. If what you want to hear happens to be the case, your heart gets the credit. Here's the truth: search for the kingdom of whichever god you were raised to believe in within your heart hard enough, and you will always find it, no matter what the god. Because you can convince yourself of anything, if you try hard enough.
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RE: Assuming God?
May 30, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Just like to make it known to everyone that this 'friend' of mine is not a friend at all. I have never met him, all I know about him is that he is Catholic and he lives in America. He sent me a personal message on youtube after I commented on a video (had something to do with Richard Dawkins I think) and since then he has been messaging me and I have been replying. This has been going on for about a month.
I discovered that he has very little understanding of Biology and indeed science as a whole. He does not know what atheism is (despite me telling him many times) and he also does not understand our ideas. He honestly believes that atheists believe that all life came from a rock, he then went on to question whether the rock was male or female. This is the calibre of person I am dealing with here.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Assuming God?
May 30, 2013 at 12:11 pm
(May 30, 2013 at 12:09 pm)Rationalman Wrote: This is the calibre of person I am dealing with here.
wat? Just stahp then.(?)
Are you enjoying your discussion with him?
"I know what you are thinking about,' said Tweedledum: 'but it isn't so, nohow.'
'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." ~Tweedledum and Tweedledee discussing the finer points of logic
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RE: Assuming God?
May 30, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Enjoying wouldn't be the right word. I find it stimulating and interesting. And also educating, its interesting to know the arguments that religious people employ
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Assuming God?
May 30, 2013 at 12:15 pm
(This post was last modified: May 30, 2013 at 12:15 pm by Mister Agenda.)
I can see that it would be the kind of conversation that could make someone feel smarter than they usually do. After a hard day at the office with your boss putting you down, curl up with a long distance conversation with an idiot you know you'll never have to deal with in RL.
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RE: Assuming God?
May 30, 2013 at 12:20 pm
(May 30, 2013 at 10:09 am)ronedee Wrote: But...God's Truth won't be denied. The problem with most atheists is that they seek God with there minds instead of their hearts!
Why would I seek god?
I think its a silly, infantile belief that belongs in the past.
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RE: Assuming God?
May 30, 2013 at 12:23 pm
(This post was last modified: May 30, 2013 at 12:24 pm by ReasonableRuben.)
(May 30, 2013 at 12:14 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Enjoying wouldn't be the right word. I find it stimulating and interesting. And also educating, its interesting to know the arguments that religious people employ
Whilst I can, to a certain extent, appreciate the sentiment, one cannot help but wonder if you've considered the possibility that this dude's arguments might not be suitably representative of the typical arguments found in religious scholarship.
(May 30, 2013 at 12:15 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I can see that it would be the kind of conversation that could make someone feel smarter than they usually do. After a hard day at the office with your boss putting you down, curl up with a long distance conversation with an idiot you know you'll never have to deal with in RL.
Like having a beer, right? 
"I know what you are thinking about,' said Tweedledum: 'but it isn't so, nohow.'
'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." ~Tweedledum and Tweedledee discussing the finer points of logic
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RE: Assuming God?
May 30, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Yes I do realise that this person is slightly less intellectual than most religious scholars. And Mister Agenda, its nothing to do with making me feel smarter. I'm just not going to back down to this person and his crazy beliefs. He may construe that as a victory and i'm not going to allow that. He messaged me, all i am doing is replying to him. I didn't seek out a continued debate, it just happened. I put my comment on youtube because I probably disagreed with what someone else had wrote, i wasn't looking to start a month long debate about it
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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