(May 31, 2013 at 12:43 am)cato123 Wrote:

(May 30, 2013 at 11:12 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I'm actually more appalled at the reation of Nationalist cuntbags than I was by the initial attack, I even had to report people to the Police for some posts on facebook. FUCK the EDL!

Really? I don't recall a report suggesting that a member of the EDL butchered an innocent man in broad daylight. Oh, but they said some insensitive shit on facebook, so I'll call the cops, or MAMA. Is that what is most appalling to you?

No, but they were trying to arrange the bombing of Mosques, and rounding up random Muslims to set on fucking fire. Two people did some fucked up shit, they happened to br Muslims, therefore ALL Muslims should be violently murdered? Do you not see how that is the same attitude those two murderers had in the fucking first place?

Hey, the Yorkshire Ripper was from Yorkshire? ALL WOMEN MUST MURDER EVERY MAN FROM YORKSHIRE!!!!1111

NO.

(May 30, 2013 at 1:46 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I might, if I wasn't working. I'm a UAF supporter, are you?

Yup. Family commitments mean I can't attend this weekend but I'm paid up and have thrown a few quid in the direction of my local group to help with the transport costs.

This is what Russell Brand wrote about the murder.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/russell-...47964.html

(June 1, 2013 at 4:24 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: This is what Russell Brand wrote about the murder.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/russell-...47964.html

Oh yes, I read that yesterday. Everybody needs to read that.

I am affraid.

We are definatly going to be the next country to suffer an attack.
I said that the last time, and so far our authorities have done a great job in preventing such attacks.
But I fear it will happen here soon aswell. And considering how much the general public here likes to freak out, I fear there will be burning mosques and such as a result of something like that happened here.

(May 26, 2013 at 1:03 am)cratehorus Wrote: what fuck are you talking about gun laws

Because I wanted to and I did you fucking wanker. If you're not happy with that you can kiss my arse.
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so the reason your tlaking about gun laws is because your a fucking psychotic religitard off your meds and don't how to defend your shitty faith against even the tiniest terrorist argument.... maybe you should try converting shintoism...very few terrorist shintoists

I can't understand how the propaganda manages to fool us all into missing the fact that Islam, whilst having to condemn this act, never distances itself from these extremists. These are still good practicing Muslims... their actions justifiable in Islam. The majority of Muslims just disagree with it. I can't see how that view should be tolerated.

What are you talking about? The two Woolwich murderers were part of a group of nutters who'd been kicked out of Greenwich Mosque for extremist views.

I'm talking about every time I've seen this mentioned by Muslims they say that it's extremist views. Never that it's anti Islam... because I presume that it isn't. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?

(June 1, 2013 at 4:39 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote:

(June 1, 2013 at 4:24 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: This is what Russell Brand wrote about the murder.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/russell-...47964.html

Oh yes, I read that yesterday. Everybody needs to read that.

Meh, both agree and disagree. The abrahamic religions (one could argue religion per se) are most certainly exclusivist and by reduction divisive. True equality can never exist whilst there are people using spiritual, divine reasoning to reinforce their views, be they moderate or extreme.

The different between catcher in the rye and, say, the Quran, is that the former is an evaluation of society, of societal norms, and specifically, the place of the protagonist within that society. The latter however is a guideline for society, how it should be constructed, and most importantly, how people should behave within said society. That doesn't of course mean that 'Islam' is to blame, but it would be foolish to dismiss the men's version of Islam as simply 'loony' when clearly they thought it made enough sense to do what they did.

We run the risk of completely misdiagnosing the patient if we ignore the idea that, whilst religion per se may not have been the central cause of this horrible act, their religion, or more specifically, the ideology that these men held dear, certainly was.

I actually agree with Fr0d0 (above ^^). There is a massive reluctance to bring the word 'religion' into any of the debates for fear of reprisals (IMHO). This status quo of silence against the extremism that certainly does exist in some religious based communities (self-evidently) just fuels the fire for idiots like the EDL and the BNP. The general retort to these issues is 'Islam is the religion of peace', and yeah, whilst most Muslims are just normal people who happen to also belong to a religion [that i actually don't particularly like, but then again I don't really like most religions], there are obviously elements that aren't. It's silly to just dismiss them as a 'loony' because, even if that's the case, that's not doing anything to combat their lunacy or the lunacy of others that haven't been identified yet. We need to include religion as part of the analysis when we're looking at the MO of guys like this and why they did why they did.