simple, they have the traits wrong. You build a car to be used as a car then describe it as an all powerful machine. Then some question why it can't fly. Again it gets back to how we described it as wrong. Then what baffles me more is that people see it is not anything other than what it is and still they say it is a mystery or some divine plan as to why it won't fly.

(June 9, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:

Quote:So if God would not act in this way the balance in this universe would be lost and the universe would not exist anymore.

Do you believe in an omnipotent god?

Yes.

(June 9, 2013 at 7:10 pm)apophenia Wrote:


"In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments; there are consequences."
Robert Ingersoll



If you have evidence that something more than the forces of nature exists, bring it.

So this god can't be a product of the forces of nature?
Why does that have to be?

(June 9, 2013 at 4:50 pm)Walking Void Wrote: Never mind, I have the video.

Enrico, here is a show called Fullmetal Alchemist. You have some belief in god and equivalent exchange which You tie into Newton's Third Law of Motion. Watch the first few episodes up to the end of the encounter with the holy man.

Sorry, i haven't got 24 min. to spend watching your video.

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(June 9, 2013 at 7:10 pm)apophenia Wrote:


"In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments; there are consequences."
Robert Ingersoll



If you have evidence that something more than the forces of nature exists, bring it.

Where do you think that the forces of nature come from?
From Santa?
Science today has not even discovered where the elements that compose the electron, proton, positron or neutron come from.
How would you know something about the forces of nature?
I suggest you to give a look here just to compare your knowledge with Sarkar ideas.

http://microvita.org/

(June 10, 2013 at 7:43 am)enrico Wrote:

(June 9, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Tartarus Sauce Wrote: Do you believe in an omnipotent god?

Yes.

So then why are you saying that if God did not operate the way that you believe he does that the universe couldn't exist? Are you implying that God is limited in the ways that he can control the operations of the universe?

(June 10, 2013 at 7:20 am)enrico Wrote:

Quote:BTW, can I see a copy of that contract I made?

It is automatic.
As soon as you engage in any action then you will have to expect a reaction.
Just imagine how many contracts you will have to sign in your entire life and those lives before that if at every action you would have to sign a contract.
Your hand would go numb in a short time after signing so many contract
Why whining about? It save you a lot of time.

But how did this contract business get started in the first place? How could any of us have decided to act in a way that would give us existence before we existed? You believe in reincarnation and such - so what do you think happens before the first time we live on the planet, when we first become "conscious"? Do we really have any choice on becoming conscious at all?

(June 9, 2013 at 8:36 am)enrico Wrote: Your free will decide to borrow money or to contract a debt.
Every action has got to have an equal reaction.
This is something that is unavoidable.
Is not God that force you to contract a debt, is you with your free will and nobody else.

No. See, I have to actively choose to contract a debt from a bank. You do not owe a debt to a bank as the byproduct of unrelated actions. You have to ask for the debt for it to be valid. Banks do not get to assign debt to random people arbitrarily. If a bank gives me money, on purpose, without my asking for it, it is a gift. It is not a debt that I legally owe.

Now, who among us asked to be born?

(June 9, 2013 at 8:52 am)enrico Wrote: Your computer and your monitor are plug to the socket and that allow you to use this things in this very moment. They also need the positive and the negative to work as everything else.

My computer runs on electricity, not magical good and evil energies. But, then again, I've never had a Mac.

Quote:It is a good thing that you do not remember that you ever took a loan and there is a good reason for that.
If you would remember that in a previous life you rape, torturer or killed someone then your life would be a total misery as you would feel the remorse for what you have done.
In this way you could not concentrate on going forward and progress.

If I did something terrible in a previous life, what would be the point of being punished for it if I had no idea why I was being punished? Wouldn't the point be to learn from my misdeeds and try to correct them? What you describe is nothing but meaningless celestial revenge, for a crime you have no idea you even committed.

Quote:Sorry, i haven't got 24 min. to spend watching your video.

It probably wouldn't do you much good anyway. You are too deeply invested in pursuing the belief in nonsense.

(June 9, 2013 at 7:10 pm)apophenia Wrote: If you have evidence that something more than the forces of nature exists, bring it.

(June 10, 2013 at 7:54 am)enrico Wrote: http://microvita.org/

The only thing that this is evidence for is the proposition that you were dropped on your head one too many times as a baby.

(June 10, 2013 at 7:38 pm)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:

(June 10, 2013 at 7:43 am)enrico Wrote: Yes.

So then why are you saying that if God did not operate the way that you believe he does that the universe couldn't exist? Are you implying that God is limited in the ways that he can control the operations of the universe?

Nothing to do with God limited power.
It is all about a game that work with the positive and the negative or yin and yang.
It is important in this game to give the possibility to choose.
In this way we learn something.
The old saying..............you learn by doing mistakes.
After the creation the evolution start.
Evolution is all about trying time and time again until you find the proper way and that involve doing mistakes.

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(June 10, 2013 at 7:51 pm)Psykhronic Wrote:

(June 10, 2013 at 7:20 am)enrico Wrote: It is automatic.
As soon as you engage in any action then you will have to expect a reaction.
Just imagine how many contracts you will have to sign in your entire life and those lives before that if at every action you would have to sign a contract.
Your hand would go numb in a short time after signing so many contract
Why whining about? It save you a lot of time.

But how did this contract business get started in the first place? How could any of us have decided to act in a way that would give us existence before we existed? You believe in reincarnation and such - so what do you think happens before the first time we live on the planet, when we first become "conscious"? Do we really have any choice on becoming conscious at all?

You are not the one who decide how to play the game of life or to set up the rules of the game of creation and evolution.
According to yoga the creation is a mental projection of the cosmic consciousness (God).
The evolution (the effort to bring back the mental projection there where everything started from) is in part free from Karma where the consciousness is very limited like in mineral, plants and animals life and is real in human beings where the consciousness is more evident.
We have no choice in determine how this system should work.
It is the creator that set up the rules.

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Ryantology Wrote:...........No. See, I have to actively choose to contract a debt from a bank. You do not owe a debt to a bank as the byproduct of unrelated actions. You have to ask for the debt for it to be valid. Banks do not get to assign debt to random people arbitrarily. If a bank gives me money, on purpose, without my asking for it, it is a gift. It is not a debt that I legally owe.
Now, who among us asked to be born?

You created a game with your imagination.
You activate the players and set the rules so those players will follow YOUR LOGIC.
Do you really think that those players have a saying in the way the game is played?

Quote:My computer runs on electricity, not magical good and evil energies. But, then again, I've never had a Mac.

Are you telling me that your socket does not carry both the positive and the negative.

Quote:If I did something terrible in a previous life, what would be the point of being punished for it if I had no idea why I was being punished? Wouldn't the point be to learn from my misdeeds and try to correct them? What you describe is nothing but meaningless celestial revenge, for a crime you have no idea you even committed.

Your mind as you said does not have a clue what happen in previous lives.
But who is talking about minds?
It is your hidden consciousness that carry the karma and is the consciousness that knows everything.
Until the consciousness is clear from karma then you will have to be reborn again and again.
When your body rot and go to the dogs then consciousness take over and at that stage the real YOU will know all about your past and that will force you to be reincarnated again.
In this life you will have to do your best in order to progress without worrying about your past.
If the weight to carry is too heavy that means that your past is full of problems.
You have to carry on. Why should you worry about your past?
All it is important is to get rid of that heavy weight, all the rest is irrelevant.

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(June 10, 2013 at 8:05 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Sorry, i haven't got 24 min. to spend watching your video.

It probably wouldn't do you much good anyway. You are too deeply invested in pursuing the belief in nonsense.

How do you determine what is real and what is nonsense?
Suppose you telling me that you feel great because you are in love with someone and you try to convince me that such a feeling is real.
I tell you that your feeling is all nonsense because i can not see or feel anything.
What would you reply to me (without the usual swearing please)?

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(June 11, 2013 at 1:23 am)apophenia Wrote:

(June 9, 2013 at 7:10 pm)apophenia Wrote: If you have evidence that something more than the forces of nature exists, bring it.

(June 10, 2013 at 7:54 am)enrico Wrote: http://microvita.org/

The only thing that this is evidence for is the proposition that you were dropped on your head one too many times as a baby.

Opshhh, that remind me of those people that were ridicule Galileo and other scientists when they said that the planet earth is not flat and is not the center of the universe.
Do you really enjoy to be born again and again in order to get rid of those dogmas?hock: