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RE: the so fallible Bible
October 5, 2013 at 12:28 am
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Drich Wrote:Only God is perfect, is the bible God? Then why should it be perfect?
How does a perfect entity create an imperfect product? It indicates that the perfect entity was somehow incapable, or unknowing of how to do it perfectly, which only means it wasn't perfect to begin with.
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RE: the so fallible Bible
October 5, 2013 at 12:28 am
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(October 5, 2013 at 12:23 am)Searching4truth Wrote: (October 5, 2013 at 12:15 am)Drich Wrote: If the bible is what God gave you and told you to do the best you can, then any error in the bible is on Him to over look, or forgive. The content of the bible is Gods responsiablity. Following what we have been given and passing it along is all we have been asked to do. Hahaha... is that the best you could come up with? How can it be the word of god if it's inaccurate. Just like you can't serve two masters, it's either the word of god or it isn't.
Show me where or why the bible has to be inerrant. Show me one parable one teaching one anything that demands inerrancy in biblically based Christianity.
(October 5, 2013 at 12:28 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Drich Wrote:Only God is perfect, is the bible God? Then why should it be perfect?
How does a perfect entity create an imperfect product? It indicates that the perfect entity was somehow incapable, or unknowing of how to do it, which only means it wasn't perfect to begin with. what is the point of redemption if God demands perfection?
I've said this before redemption is not only for the time we willfully sin, but when we are doing the best we can and still fall short. If we are given a bible that says to do X and God wants us to do Y then it is upto God to forgive X or change the X we have to Y. As with a Dead Sea scroll find.
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RE: the so fallible Bible
October 5, 2013 at 12:32 am
Drich Wrote:what is the point of redemption if God demands perfection?
huh..? More like, why believe God is perfect if the Bible is imperfect? That's the point that flew over your head.
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RE: the so fallible Bible
October 5, 2013 at 12:33 am
(October 5, 2013 at 12:23 am)Searching4truth Wrote: (October 5, 2013 at 12:15 am)Drich Wrote: If the bible is what God gave you and told you to do the best you can, then any error in the bible is on Him to over look, or forgive. The content of the bible is Gods responsiablity. Following what we have been given and passing it along is all we have been asked to do. Hahaha... is that the best you could come up with? How can it be the word of god if it's inaccurate. Just like you can't serve two masters, it's either the word of god or it isn't.
It is the words God will be judging us by regardless of who penned them. Minnie's repeat of 2 Tim is what assures that.
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RE: the so fallible Bible
October 5, 2013 at 12:34 am
(October 5, 2013 at 12:28 am)Drich Wrote: (October 5, 2013 at 12:28 am)FallentoReason Wrote: How does a perfect entity create an imperfect product? It indicates that the perfect entity was somehow incapable, or unknowing of how to do it, which only means it wasn't perfect to begin with. what is the point of redemption if God demands perfection?
Please, please tell me you aren't really this dumb.
Please.
In case you are, does your holy book not say ANYWHERE that god is perfect? The question is real simple and I'm going to slow it down for you so you can understand it once:
Why. Did. A. Perfect. Being. Create. An. Imperfect. Creation?
Smacks of being a bit of a tard to me. It's like me saying I'm a master chainsaw juggler that hasn't dropped one yet and you coming to one of my demonstrations only to see me decapitate myself.
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RE: the so fallible Bible
October 5, 2013 at 12:37 am
(October 5, 2013 at 12:32 am)FallentoReason Wrote: Drich Wrote:what is the point of redemption if God demands perfection?
huh..? More like, why believe God is perfect if the Bible is imperfect? That's the point that flew over your head. Because God is the standard in which all of creation will be judged. You seem to not understand the authority and finality of being the Alpha and Omega. Perfection and 'morality' are not absolute standards in which everything can be judged. God being the alpha and omega makes whatever the standard He sets as pure Righteousness, and perfection.
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RE: the so fallible Bible
October 5, 2013 at 12:39 am
(October 5, 2013 at 12:26 am)Drich Wrote: (October 5, 2013 at 12:22 am)Minimalist Wrote: Cherry-picking again, eh Drippy?
Guess you don't believe this part.
I've already quoted that along with the passage in second peter that the infallibility doctrine is based on. You might want to go back and maybe read a little more before you just start spewing nonsense.
Reading matters 
But what you say rarely does. Your book proclaims itself the word of fucking god. I know that it is bullshit. You really need to climb on the Smart Train.
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RE: the so fallible Bible
October 5, 2013 at 12:45 am
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(1) God is perfect
(2) God has a will
(3) God wishes to communicate his will via the Bible
(4) If (1) - (3) are true, then God has the ability to perfectly communicate his will via the Bible
(5) The Bible isn't perfect
(C1) God isn't perfect
...and adding this little gem, courtesy of Drich...:
Drich Wrote:[6]Perfection indicates deity...
(C2) The entity that authored the Bible isn't God
which very nicely backs up my thoughts that the entity identified as "God" in the Bible is actually the devil, what, with all the mass killing and raping it commands...
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RE: the so fallible Bible
October 5, 2013 at 12:49 am
(October 5, 2013 at 12:37 am)Drich Wrote: (October 5, 2013 at 12:32 am)FallentoReason Wrote: huh..? More like, why believe God is perfect if the Bible is imperfect? That's the point that flew over your head. Because God is the standard in which all of creation will be judged. You seem to not understand the authority and finality of being the Alpha and Omega. Perfection and 'morality' are not absolute standards in which everything can be judged. God being the alpha and omega makes whatever the standard He sets as pure Righteousness, and perfection.
If the bible, being that it is the word of god, is imperfect, why should I think god is not imperfect. And if god is imperfect he has no right to judge.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
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RE: the so fallible Bible
October 5, 2013 at 12:50 am
Drich Wrote:Because God is the standard in which all of creation will be judged. You seem to not understand the authority and finality of being the Alpha and Omega. Perfection and 'morality' are not absolute standards in which everything can be judged. God being the alpha and omega makes whatever the standard He sets as pure Righteousness, and perfection.
And this standard got somewhat lost in an imperfect book. Please see my argument above.
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