(October 23, 2013 at 7:34 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Why the fuck do you need to take a loaded handgun with you on a babysitting job? I know it's Texas, but damn.

Apparently, she lived there. So the gun was probably laying around all the time.

Hey min, I just unlocked my gun safe and left it wide open. Why don't you come over and demonstrate what you're complaining about.

Let's hope your kids aren't wandering around. If they were, you might suddenly find yourself labeled "irresponsible."

(October 23, 2013 at 3:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Texas.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/23...ref=topbar

Quote:A Texas teen was arrested after police say a boy she was babysitting shot and killed himself with her gun while she took a nap.

Melissa Ann Ringhardt, 19, was charged Tuesday in the death of 5-year-old John Read, The Orange Leader reports. Ringhardt lives in Vidor with the boy's family, who left him and a 6-month-old child in her care Monday afternoon, according to NBC News.

Orange County deputies say the teen put her semiautomatic .40-caliber handgun on a coffee table before going to take a nap. When she awoke, she found the 5-year-old lying on the floor in the living room with a gunshot wound to the head.

I suppose we can all agree that this was an irresponsible gun owner.

(Still got to walk around with a gun, though.......)

Deafest. Bitch. Ever.

Probably a Glock...damned stupid ass safeties.

Now it's the cops who are irresponsible. Torn between placing this here or in the Fucking Cops thread. Went with here because the cops did not pull the trigger.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/3-kids-injur...40933.html

Quote:3 Kids Injured in Police Gun Accident at School

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Lucky, this time.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/24/justice/wa...un-arrest/

Quote:An 11-year-old Washington state boy was arrested after bringing 400 rounds of ammunition, several knives and a handgun to school on Wednesday, police said.

(October 23, 2013 at 8:47 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Let's hope your kids aren't wandering around. If they were, you might suddenly find yourself labeled "irresponsible."

My kids are fully grown adults with their own homes. Frankly, it's a wonder they survived to adulthood with all those guns in the house *sarcasm*. Seriously Min, you need a new pet peeve.

Though I may regret asking, I still have a morbid curiosity, so I'll ask; If we were together in a place where a criminal pulled out a gun and threatened violence, or worse, started shooting, would you be glad that I was there, and that I am highly trained, and have my sidearm with me; or do you think I shouldn't have a gun at all?

(October 24, 2013 at 2:21 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(October 23, 2013 at 8:47 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Let's hope your kids aren't wandering around. If they were, you might suddenly find yourself labeled "irresponsible."

My kids are fully grown adults with their own homes. Frankly, it's a wonder they survived to adulthood with all those guns in the house *sarcasm*. Seriously Min, you need a new pet peeve.

Though I may regret asking, I still have a morbid curiosity, so I'll ask; If we were together in a place where a criminal pulled out a gun and threatened violence, or worse, started shooting, would you be glad that I was there, and that I am highly trained, and have my sidearm with me; or do you think I shouldn't have a gun at all?

Would you shoot first?

(October 24, 2013 at 2:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(October 24, 2013 at 2:21 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: My kids are fully grown adults with their own homes. Frankly, it's a wonder they survived to adulthood with all those guns in the house *sarcasm*. Seriously Min, you need a new pet peeve.

Though I may regret asking, I still have a morbid curiosity, so I'll ask; If we were together in a place where a criminal pulled out a gun and threatened violence, or worse, started shooting, would you be glad that I was there, and that I am highly trained, and have my sidearm with me; or do you think I shouldn't have a gun at all?

Would you shoot first?

Great Question. If the criminal with the gun is in fact threatening to do mortal harm to myself or others, then yes indeed I would shoot first to prevent the criminal from continuing with their plan. I would do what any cop (I'm not in law enforcement) in this situation would, and I would not only be legally justified in doing so, I'd also be a hero.

(October 24, 2013 at 2:28 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(October 24, 2013 at 2:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Would you shoot first?

Great Question. If the criminal with the gun is in fact threatening to do mortal harm to myself or others, then yes indeed I would shoot first to prevent the criminal from continuing with their plan. I would do what any cop (I'm not in law enforcement) in this situation would, and I would not only be legally justified in doing so, I'd also be a hero.

What if you just hurt the guy and he starts shooting randomly?
Are you that good?

(October 24, 2013 at 2:34 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(October 24, 2013 at 2:28 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Great Question. If the criminal with the gun is in fact threatening to do mortal harm to myself or others, then yes indeed I would shoot first to prevent the criminal from continuing with their plan. I would do what any cop (I'm not in law enforcement) in this situation would, and I would not only be legally justified in doing so, I'd also be a hero.

What if you just hurt the guy and he starts shooting randomly?
Are you that good?

First off - I would wait for a clear shot. If I didn't have one I would not fire. I would not risk endangering innocent bystanders just to play cowboy. And yes, I'm pretty accurate with most firearm configurations - especially my 1911 (it's a .45 cal. acp) which I almost always carry.

(October 24, 2013 at 2:21 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(October 23, 2013 at 8:47 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Let's hope your kids aren't wandering around. If they were, you might suddenly find yourself labeled "irresponsible."

My kids are fully grown adults with their own homes. Frankly, it's a wonder they survived to adulthood with all those guns in the house *sarcasm*. Seriously Min, you need a new pet peeve.

Though I may regret asking, I still have a morbid curiosity, so I'll ask; If we were together in a place where a criminal pulled out a gun and threatened violence, or worse, started shooting, would you be glad that I was there, and that I am highly trained, and have my sidearm with me; or do you think I shouldn't have a gun at all?

Shooting in a crowd is almost never the right answer. You may think you are "highly trained".... so were these cops.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/ne...-shooting/

Quote:New York (CNN) -- On a busy Friday morning in Manhattan, nine pedestrians suffered bullet or fragment wounds after police unleashed a hail of gunfire at a man wielding a .45 caliber pistol who had just killed a former co-worker.

Once you fire, you have no control of the bullet.

Or, As Count Suvorov noted sagely...."The bullet is a mad thing; only the bayonet knows what it is about." and he was writing in 1796 and talking about musket balls.