(October 29, 2013 at 3:56 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(October 29, 2013 at 2:57 pm)Informative2016 Wrote: by denying something a person has already acknowledged it, therefore it cannot be unreal because that would be contradictory.

Unicorns.
Dragons.
Griffons.
Werewolves.
Vampires.

You are quite mistaken.

I'm not mistaken, you've clearly underestimated the statement. Congratulations, you've thought of mythological creatures, which CAN be proven to be unreal based on their nature. On the other hand, God can NOT be proven to be unreal, no one has done so. You've acknowledged God, good job. You cannot prove that He does not exist. I on the other hand can disprove your claims because they are MYTHOLOGICAL creatures, God is not.

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(October 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:

(October 29, 2013 at 3:59 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Ill he respond? Maybe you guy should take it easy on him, he's never met many atheists before and has only heard of us through third hand information

Someone who claims that no one can say anything doesn't exist because by saying that thing we're acknowledging it exists, is either:

1. extremely dishonest, or

2. has never read anything, spoken to anyone, used his head, etc etc, I can go on.

Anselm, one of the GREATEST Philosophical thinkers stated my first claim. Hence,by thinking of God, you've already acknowledged Him, you can choose to deny Him in your life, but you cannot deny the fact that God does no exist, no one can. How does this make someone dishonest? And I apologize that there are smarter people than you.

I'm still chuckling over an earlier statement. Something about a strong christard thinker can prove the history of the bible. Is 'thinkers' who we are turning to now to confirm shit that normally would be confirmed/refuted by scientists?

(October 29, 2013 at 6:03 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(October 29, 2013 at 5:55 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Calling someone names - now THAT is ignorant.

I wonder how many times I could accuse someone of incest before I got done for flaming.

Way to go showing a new member of the forum how rational people have a civil conversation.

Thank you very much I wanted the noobie to get a taste of what s/he was in for if they intend to post the crap this one does.

I got a taste of the ignorance that comes out of your mouth, I'm glad to say that I have outsmarted a wannabe atheist. You clearly cannot hold a conversation, and if profanity boosts your ego, good for you. At least I can stand next to a true philosopher while we laugh at the ignorance coming from you. Are you sure you don't need toilet paper to wipe the shit coming out of your mouth?

(October 29, 2013 at 2:39 pm)Informative2016 Wrote: I'm currently working on an Apologetics project in which I need to talk to a few people who consider to be atheists and why they believe what they do.
Question 1: Why do you not believe in a God
Question 2: Why do you choose to deny the existence of a God
I'll start off with that, thank you, I look forward to an interesting conversation

And for the record, calling someone ignorant is not an insult if it happens to be the truth; for example, I'm ignorant when it comes to kissing church leaders asses to stay in god's grace, but I'm not ignorant toward sarcasm - see how that works?

You're ignorant in general, congratulations, you cannot hold a true conversation because you know you'll be stumped by a Christian thinker who clearly has more knowledge than you'll ever have.

And as far as the motherfucker bit, well that's just my vernacular for most ignorant theists, so take what you will from that. Either that, or his wife has children, thus rendering him, by default a motherfucker.

I refrain from profanity because the academics I have received are clearly a lot better than the waste you got from your education. It's sad to think that you probably graduated from high school, I sure hope not, that would be an embarrassment to education throughout the world.

(October 29, 2013 at 11:41 pm)Informative2016 Wrote:

(October 29, 2013 at 6:03 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Thank you very much I wanted the noobie to get a taste of what s/he was in for if they intend to post the crap this one does.

I got a taste of the ignorance that comes out of your mouth, I'm glad to say that I have outsmarted a wannabe atheist. You clearly cannot hold a conversation, and if profanity boosts your ego, good for you. At least I can stand next to a true philosopher while we laugh at the ignorance coming from you. Are you sure you don't need toilet paper to wipe the shit coming out of your mouth?


And for the record, calling someone ignorant is not an insult if it happens to be the truth; for example, I'm ignorant when it comes to kissing church leaders asses to stay in god's grace, but I'm not ignorant toward sarcasm - see how that works?

You're ignorant in general, congratulations, you cannot hold a true conversation because you know you'll be stumped by a Christian thinker who clearly has more knowledge than you'll ever have.

And as far as the motherfucker bit, well that's just my vernacular for most ignorant theists, so take what you will from that. Either that, or his wife has children, thus rendering him, by default a motherfucker.

I refrain from profanity because the academics I have received are clearly a lot better than the waste you got from your education. It's sad to think that you probably graduated from high school, I sure hope not, that would be an embarrassment to education throughout the world.

Not really as you have come here basically saying the same thing again and agian and havent offered anything besides a logical fallacy to back up yoour claim. Demonstrate the historicity of your bible, demonstrate your god is not mythology.

(October 29, 2013 at 11:29 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(October 29, 2013 at 11:28 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote: Liberty University has da interwebz?

pretty much

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(October 29, 2013 at 11:29 pm)Informative2016 Wrote: Azusa Pacific ... better than Liberty, and has a lot of ACTUAL thinkers who are not ignorant as yourself.

It is not a bad argument, it's one of the most philosophical point made by one of the GREATEST Philosophical thinkers (Anselm) which I'm not surprised you know nothing about because you cannot contradict anything that I have stated. When you have the mind of an above high school level thinker I'll be more than happy to talk to you, until then, congratulations on the ignorance

First off thats called a appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. Second I have contradicted allot you have said.

You have not contradicted anything I have said, congratulations, the atheist is wrong again. Then again, that's not a surprise, I respect a TRUE atheist thinker, clearly you are an ignorant thinker who can't leave a high school mindset behind.

An academic background(so claimed...), and a highlight is 'not cursing'? What school offers a major in Etiquette now? Did you minor in courtseying?

Jesus.

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True atheist. Hoo boy.

(October 29, 2013 at 11:39 pm)Captain Colostomy Wrote: I'm still chuckling over an earlier statement. Something about a strong christard thinker can prove the history of the bible. Is 'thinkers' who we are turning to now to confirm shit that normally would be confirmed/refuted by scientists?

If I'm not mistaken some of the greatest scientists were Christian thinkers (such as Isaac Newton) ... and you can't use science to disprove religion, all science is are theories, then again we don't comprehend much of the science that is being studied today, by taking college level physics I'm knowledgeable of this, you have come as far as what? Believing in the big Bang THEORY?

(October 29, 2013 at 11:48 pm)Informative2016 Wrote:

(October 29, 2013 at 11:29 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: pretty much

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First off thats called a appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. Second I have contradicted allot you have said.

You have not contradicted anything I have said, congratulations, the atheist is wrong again. Then again, that's not a surprise, I respect a TRUE atheist thinker, clearly you are an ignorant thinker who can't leave a high school mindset behind.

You said the bible has a powerful historical backing,

informative2016 Wrote:And the Bible is evidence that there is a God everything within the Bible has been proven to have some sort of backing, for example the Bible is historically accurate with its writings.

Here is some historical evidence the bible is untrue

Lemonvariable72 Wrote:Quote: This kind of evidence would be even more compelling if it were discovered by a christian. Well, this actually happened - take a look at Joshua 8:26-28:

For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day.

Joseph Callaway, professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, excavated the ruins of Ai between 1964 and 1976 and afterwards reported that what he found there contradicted the Bible version completely:

The evidence from Ai was mainly negative. There was a great walled city there beginning about 3000 B. C., more than 1,800 years before Israel's emergence in Canaan. But this city was destroyed about 2400 B. C., after which the site was abandoned. Despite extensive excavation, no evidence of a Late Bronze Age (1500-1200 B. C.) Canaanite city was found. In short, there was no Canaanite city here for Joshua to conquer (Biblical Archaeology Review, "Joseph A. Callaway: 1920-1988," November/December 1988, p. 24, emphasis mine).

Here is the link
http://fuzzyquark.comxa.com/archaeology.html
And this after you claimed the god of the bible ( I can quote the post if you want)
Cannot be disproven

Lemonvariable72 Wrote:1. Since atheism is simply a rejection of religious claims, it has no burden of proof and if christians had proof they would not have to use logical fallacies such as shifting the burden of proof to make a argument.
2. The bible makes easily falsified claims, for example genesis 1:11 tells us that the vegetation of the earth was created before the sun. Now a earth without a sun would be something like -180 celsuis and permanently dark. Here I purpose a little experiment, take your mother's petunia or any potted plant and find a large deep freeze and put it in there, and then observe the results. There more disprovable claims then that too E.G plants after noahs flood.
3. Balant contradictions in the bible. For example in 1 john 4:12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
But in exodus 33:11
The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.
And in Genesis 32:22-32 22
That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[a] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”
But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel,[b] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel,[c] and he was limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.
4. Balant design flaws in human anatomy E.G A jaw that is too small to fit all the teeth, the appendix, and the fact that we use one tube for eating and breathing. These are easily avoided design flaws that would have any engineer fired. If adam did have these flaws corrected before the fall then adam would have been a different species from us, probably even a different genus.
5. The positioning of the earth in a inner solar filled with asteriods that could easily wipe out life on earth, agian a glaring over that now sapient designer would make.

So you asked for evidence, there it is.

Why do these fuckheads keep washing up here and always covered with the same silly jesus shit?

(October 29, 2013 at 11:32 pm)Informative2016 Wrote: I'm not mistaken, you've clearly underestimated the statement. Congratulations, you've thought of mythological creatures, which CAN be proven to be unreal based on their nature. On the other hand, God can NOT be proven to be unreal, no one has done so. You've acknowledged God, good job. You cannot prove that He does not exist. I on the other hand can disprove your claims because they are MYTHOLOGICAL creatures, God is not.

Assertions. Back up your claims. For starters, prove that mythological creatures cannot exist.

Quote:Anselm, one of the GREATEST Philosophical thinkers stated my first claim. Hence,by thinking of God, you've already acknowledged Him, you can choose to deny Him in your life, but you cannot deny the fact that God does no exist, no one can. How does this make someone dishonest? And I apologize that there are smarter people than you.

Even if Anselm truly was a great thinker, parroting his claims does not confer the same status onto yourself. No more than holding a mirror up to the mona lisa would make you a great artist.

(October 29, 2013 at 11:29 pm)Informative2016 Wrote: It is not a bad argument, it's one of the most philosophical point made by one of the GREATEST Philosophical thinkers (Anselm) which I'm not surprised you know nothing about because you cannot contradict anything that I have stated.

I already have contradicted your claim. So too has just about everyone else on this thread.

Anselm clearly is not the intellectual powerhouse you take him for. Your argument violates one of the most basic logical axioms - the law of non-contradiction. If Anselm was unaware of this, he can't have been a very good philosopher. If he was aware of this, he was a very stupid philosopher.

I'm sorry, but using that argument in this forum is akin to turning up to the battle of Kursk with a tricycle and a waterpistol.