(October 30, 2013 at 10:05 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: I said, if folks can make up their own definition of marriage, I can change the definition of "real name".

Turns out you CAN use fake names on FB - as long as you support same sex 'marriage', hate religion, vote Democrat, troll Ray Comforts page, etc. etc.

Just keep retreating into that shuddering ball of imagined persecution, based entirely on a nonsequitur rationalization for breaking a rule, Lion...

Is it like, an assumed fact that if I don't believe in god, hate religion, support gay marriage and all that, that I'm automatically an Obama supporter? Wtf, people act like we only have two choices... I HATE THAT Single assumption more than I do religion. Fuck me...

And if you are an Obama supporter, it's because you're a lazy bum on welfare and just want free government handouts at the expense of the hardworking conservatives.

This is the second Google Images search result for the phrase "hard working conservative":


The first result was about a speech.

(October 31, 2013 at 4:41 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: And if you are an Obama supporter, it's because you're a lazy bum on welfare and just want free government handouts at the expense of the hardworking conservatives.

I would sadisticly support this view if conservatives really did suffer a bit in the pocket. Haha.

Dammit! I can quit whenever I feel like it *hiccup*

(October 31, 2013 at 3:07 pm)Einharjar Wrote: Is it like, an assumed fact that if I don't believe in god, hate religion, support gay marriage and all that...

And all that what?

You didnt finish your list.
I am interested to hear more about you.

(October 31, 2013 at 12:11 pm)John V Wrote:

(October 31, 2013 at 5:08 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Well no, my point was there is mounds of contemporary and verifiable evidence for Lincoln but for Jesus there is none, which is odd considering the stir he was supposed to have made at the time.

What do you mean by verifiable? That word's been tossed around a lot lately.

You do know that in his early days he was a lawyer so there would be court records from your country that confirm his existence.
So we have court records, government records, coroners records, Newspaper accounts, photographs all of which can be VERIFIED i.e. demonstrated to be true.

Quote:past tense: verified; past participle: verified
1.
make sure or demonstrate that (something) is true, accurate, or justified.
"his conclusions have been verified by later experiments"
synonyms: substantiate, confirm, prove, show to be true, corroborate, back up, support, uphold, evidence, establish, demonstrate, demonstrate the truth of, show, show beyond doubt, attest to, testify to, validate, authenticate, endorse, certify, accredit, ratify, warrant, vouch for, bear out, bear witness to, give credence to, give force to, give/lend weight to, justify, vindicate

But on top of this Lincoln was only a man. There is nothing remarkable to prove. Its not like someone is pretending that he was some bullshit impossible magic man.

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(October 31, 2013 at 4:47 pm)Walking Void Wrote: This is the second Google Images search result for the phrase "hard working conservative":

The first result was about a speech.

But he's UKIP!!

(November 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: You do know that in his early days he was a lawyer so there would be court records from your country that confirm his existence.
So we have court records, government records, coroners records, Newspaper accounts, photographs all of which can be VERIFIED i.e. demonstrated to be true.

It's circular to say it's verifiable because it's been verified. What are the criteria that determine if something is verified/verifiable?

Why does anyone even say verifiable, rather than verified?

Quote:But on top of this Lincoln was only a man. There is nothing remarkable to prove. Its not like someone is pretending that he was some bullshit impossible magic man.

I'm comparing this to the Jesus myther position - that there wasn't a man behind it at all.

(November 4, 2013 at 9:29 am)John V Wrote: It's circular to say it's verifiable because it's been verified. What are the criteria that determine if something is verified/verifiable?

Why does anyone even say verifiable, rather than verified?

Verifiable means that one is capable of verifying the subject at hand, verified means truth has been established. So yes it is circular, but not comparable to Christian/theist biblical/religious text circular reasoning since this is entirely based upon true historical data and reality.
Are you seriously asking what can and can't be verified? Not a disparaging question, I'm truly wondering as to whether you're serious or if you're playing the obstinate laughing boy.

Quote:I'm comparing this to the Jesus myther position - that there wasn't a man behind it at all.

The comparison fails utterly.