Also I can't find anything in the quran about god creating the universe from water, I can only find where it says god created the universe from nothing.

(November 6, 2013 at 11:40 am)Dragonetti Wrote: Sorry, I lump all mystical shit together.

To equal mystical crap with Science is abhorrent. Just because you want people accept Jesus/God/Mohammad/Gandhi/Buddha into their hearts is just plain bullshit. Accepting fake mystical shit does not make you a better person. The crap arose before Science, and has not provide any benefits after Science. We digress as a society and species with religion and spirituality. Feel good, but feel good for the right reasons!

Gandhi? lol you're trolling right?

Yes, during the period! He was consider a folk hero, and a messiah in the 1920s. He has been given saint hood. So, yes there are few that worship him. He has done some good in the civil rights, but he was very racist in his youth.

(November 6, 2013 at 9:49 am)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote:

enrico Wrote:Your total ignorance in this field make you spew crap.
Religious people put bombs around not those engaged in spirituality.
You find one single person engaged in intuitional science that put bombs around and i will make you rich.

As your link show it clearly say that a lot of different groups are engaged in act of violence in order to change the things.
Many of these groups have really nothing to do with religion or spirituality.
My spiritual teacher which has nothing to do with religion gave Prout or the way to change this economical-political-environement chaos into peace and welfare for all and this is not violence.
He predicted that this state of moral bankruptcy if allow to continue will inevitably lead to violence as we can see these days however he does not promote violence on the contrary he always hope that people engaged in criminal activity will change so there wan't be any more reason for anyone to engage in violence.



http://www.prout.org/

(November 7, 2013 at 12:40 am)Dragonetti Wrote: Yes, during the period! He was consider a folk hero, and a messiah in the 1920s. He has been given saint hood. So, yes there are few that worship him. He has done some good in the civil rights, but he was very racist in his youth.

From what I've heard, he was very racist throughout his life.

(November 7, 2013 at 12:49 am)enrico Wrote:

(November 6, 2013 at 9:49 am)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: Is this good enough?

As your link show it clearly say that a lot of different groups are engaged in act of violence in order to change the things.
Many of these groups have really nothing to do with religion or spirituality.
My spiritual teacher which has nothing to do with religion gave Prout or the way to change this economical-political-environement chaos into peace and welfare for all and this is not violence.
He predicted that this state of moral bankruptcy if allow to continue will inevitably lead to violence as we can see these days however he does not promote violence on the contrary he always hope that people engaged in criminal activity will change so there wan't be any more reason for anyone to engage in violence.

http://www.prout.org/

Sorry, are you claiming that there isn't an extensive history of spirituality within the animal rights movements and environmental activists?

(November 7, 2013 at 7:32 am)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: Sorry, are you claiming that there isn't an extensive history of spirituality within the animal rights movements and environmental activists?

In the past i came across two guys that started following spirituality and then in the night they were going around the butchers shops writing.....meat is murder.
However they didn't last very long with spirituality.
A lot of people say that they follow spirituality but that it is only a small flame in their hearts.
Spirituality require a lot of discipline and not many people are prepared to do the hard work so the small flame stay small.

(November 6, 2013 at 1:23 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I don't know what do you mean by timeless
but there is a first event even for God

Wait a minute. God was born?

(November 7, 2013 at 9:43 am)enrico Wrote:

(November 7, 2013 at 7:32 am)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: Sorry, are you claiming that there isn't an extensive history of spirituality within the animal rights movements and environmental activists?

In the past i came across two guys that started following spirituality and then in the night they were going around the butchers shops writing.....meat is murder.
However they didn't last very long with spirituality.
A lot of people say that they follow spirituality but that it is only a small flame in their hearts.
Spirituality require a lot of discipline and not many people are prepared to do the hard work so the small flame stay small.

That's sounding a lot like a 'no true scotsman' argument.

(November 6, 2013 at 12:31 am)enrico Wrote: You find one single person engaged in intuitional science that put bombs around and i will make you rich.

You find one single person engaged in intuitional science. Then we can talk.

(November 7, 2013 at 2:21 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(November 6, 2013 at 12:31 am)enrico Wrote: You find one single person engaged in intuitional science that put bombs around and i will make you rich.

You find one single person engaged in intuitional science. Then we can talk.

He's right there, standing next to the military intelligence guy.