(December 7, 2013 at 3:17 pm)Sleepy Wrote: Atheist responses- it's bad. You can't force somebody.

Why not? Why is it 'bad'? What's wrong with a male spreading his genes through dominating a weaker individual. Survival of the fittest right? Why is it 'wrong'?

Back on topic.

Why not? It depends on giving and taking. If you give effort, surplus is created and chaos is moved to unity. If you take reward, something is used in the process. In this case, taking from the individual leaves a debt, no different than if you take my car and I have no insurance. I must then go work (suffer) to buy another. In the case of what is taken in rape, no amount of suffering will heal the wound. What is given to the person in this case?

Survival is not a problem in our society is it? The reason doing unto others is a universal law found in nearly all religions is because it abides by natural law. All proverbs in the Bible are based on natural law and the mathematics of returns. What is taken must be returned. What is given must be earned. What is received can only be given by reception. Taking is the mark of a thief, even if something is given from the theft. In all cases, someone else suffers the debt of the thief. This is why objectivism is detrimental to society. Altruism, on the other hand, creates surplus. If our banking system was governed by the people and free from interest, who benefits? The people. Today, those who rape the system benefit, but ultimately cause us all to pay the price by having to suffer inflation, devaluation and lost opportunity for all participants.

It's Nash Equilibrium. Law is not a respecter of persons. It knows every detail and nothing can be hidden that will not eventually come to light. Reaping and sowing. Sowing seed in another field is foolish at best.

Fun Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d_dtTZQyUM

Detailed Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkXI-zPcDIM

(December 9, 2013 at 9:52 am)StrongWaters Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 3:17 pm)Sleepy Wrote: Atheist responses- it's bad. You can't force somebody.

Why not? Why is it 'bad'? What's wrong with a male spreading his genes through dominating a weaker individual. Survival of the fittest right? Why is it 'wrong'?

Back on topic.

Why not? It depends on giving and taking. If you give effort, surplus is created and chaos is moved to unity. If you take reward, something is used in the process. In this case, taking from the individual leaves a debt, no different than if you take my car and I have no insurance. I must then go work (suffer) to buy another. In the case of what is taken in rape, no amount of suffering will heal the wound. What is given to the person in this case?

Survival is not a problem in our society is it? The reason doing unto others is a universal law found in nearly all religions is because it abides by natural law. All proverbs in the Bible are based on natural law and the mathematics of returns. What is taken must be returned. What is given must be earned. What is received can only be given by reception. Taking is the mark of a thief, even if something is given from the theft. In all cases, someone else suffers the debt of the thief. This is why objectivism is detrimental to society. Altruism, on the other hand, creates surplus. If our banking system was governed by the people and free from interest, who benefits? The people. Today, those who rape the system benefit, but ultimately cause us all to pay the price by having to suffer inflation, devaluation and lost opportunity for all participants.

It's Nash Equilibrium. Law is not a respecter of persons. It knows every detail and nothing can be hidden that will not eventually come to light. Reaping and sowing. Sowing seed in another field is foolish at best.

Fun Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d_dtTZQyUM

Detailed Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkXI-zPcDIM

`` All proverbs in the Bible are based on natural law and the mathematics of returns.``

LIKE THE STORY OF ABRAHAM AND HIS MUSTARD SCAM ???

AND NON OF THE PROVERBS ARE BASED ON MATHEMATICS ..IMOF THEY R JUST LIES..

UR GOD LIKES ABORTION AND PREFORMS IT ON THE POOR PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE STORY AN MASS .. AND SO DID U KRISTIANS TROUGHOUT HISTORY ...

SO WHY ARE U KRISTIANS AGAINST ABORTION??

(December 9, 2013 at 10:21 am)daandaan Wrote:

(December 9, 2013 at 9:52 am)StrongWaters Wrote: Back on topic.

SO WHY ARE U KRISTIANS AGAINST ABORTION??

Simple. God can give life (Baptism is immersion into the waters of life). He says, "you must be born again." His interests are always our own best interests given the problems we cause for ourselves. On the other hand, aborting IS the problem we cause for ourselves. There is a difference by intent. Intention is your unguided reason. Intent is guided by design, wisdom and the highest reason possible. God works from intent. We work from lower logic, reason and common sense that is founded on lower understanding.

God demonstrates the highest axiom with love. Love demands that the governor is the anchor (invariant) and we are heeled (changed by the authority). By killing another human in the name of choice, you deny the choice to the baby. Which choice matters? The mother's or that of the baby? By one choice, the mother lives and the baby dies. By the right choice, both live and can choose again.

Again, logic and reason must abide in unity for all, not the convenience for a few. This is why rape only benefits the one taking. In the end, that debt will be paid by the thief and the ones he harms. God takes the choice away from the thief to preserve those he loves. His intent is to give life again. We lack that power.

(December 9, 2013 at 9:52 am)StrongWaters Wrote: Back on topic.

Why not? It depends on giving and taking. If you give effort, surplus is created and chaos is moved to unity. If you take reward, something is used in the process. In this case, taking from the individual leaves a debt, no different than if you take my car and I have no insurance. I must then go work (suffer) to buy another. In the case of what is taken in rape, no amount of suffering will heal the wound. What is given to the person in this case?

Survival is not a problem in our society is it? The reason doing unto others is a universal law found in nearly all religions is because it abides by natural law. All proverbs in the Bible are based on natural law and the mathematics of returns. What is taken must be returned. What is given must be earned. What is received can only be given by reception. Taking is the mark of a thief, even if something is given from the theft. In all cases, someone else suffers the debt of the thief. This is why objectivism is detrimental to society. Altruism, on the other hand, creates surplus. If our banking system was governed by the people and free from interest, who benefits? The people. Today, those who rape the system benefit, but ultimately cause us all to pay the price by having to suffer inflation, devaluation and lost opportunity for all participants.

It's Nash Equilibrium. Law is not a respecter of persons. It knows every detail and nothing can be hidden that will not eventually come to light. Reaping and sowing. Sowing seed in another field is foolish at best.

Fun Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d_dtTZQyUM

Detailed Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkXI-zPcDIM

We don't need another nutcase round here thank you. You sound a lot like enrico....hhmmm interesting.

(December 9, 2013 at 10:35 am)Bad Wolf Wrote:

(December 9, 2013 at 9:52 am)StrongWaters Wrote: Back on topic.

Why not? It depends on giving and taking. If you give effort, surplus is created and chaos is moved to unity. If you take reward, something is used in the process. In this case, taking from the individual leaves a debt, no different than if you take my car and I have no insurance. I must then go work (suffer) to buy another. In the case of what is taken in rape, no amount of suffering will heal the wound. What is given to the person in this case?

Survival is not a problem in our society is it? The reason doing unto others is a universal law found in nearly all religions is because it abides by natural law. All proverbs in the Bible are based on natural law and the mathematics of returns. What is taken must be returned. What is given must be earned. What is received can only be given by reception. Taking is the mark of a thief, even if something is given from the theft. In all cases, someone else suffers the debt of the thief. This is why objectivism is detrimental to society. Altruism, on the other hand, creates surplus. If our banking system was governed by the people and free from interest, who benefits? The people. Today, those who rape the system benefit, but ultimately cause us all to pay the price by having to suffer inflation, devaluation and lost opportunity for all participants.

It's Nash Equilibrium. Law is not a respecter of persons. It knows every detail and nothing can be hidden that will not eventually come to light. Reaping and sowing. Sowing seed in another field is foolish at best.

Fun Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d_dtTZQyUM

Detailed Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkXI-zPcDIM

We don't need another nutcase round here thank you. You sound a lot like enrico....hhmmm interesting.

Search my username with aleph bet and you will find me. I am not ashamed to live in the light.

Now you sound even more like enrico, you failed to answer what I said and your answer was totally irrelevant anyway. Quite defining characteristics.

(December 9, 2013 at 10:33 am)StrongWaters Wrote: Simple. God can give life (Baptism is immersion into the waters of life). He says, "you must be born again." His interests are always our own best interests given the problems we cause for ourselves. On the other hand, aborting IS the problem we cause for ourselves. There is a difference by intent. Intention is your unguided reason. Intent is guided by design, wisdom and the highest reason possible. God works from intent. We work from lower logic, reason and common sense that is founded on lower understanding.

God demonstrates the highest axiom with love. Love demands that the governor is the anchor (invariant) and we are heeled (changed by the authority). By killing another human in the name of choice, you deny the choice to the baby. Which choice matters? The mother's or that of the baby? By one choice, the mother lives and the baby dies. By the right choice, both live and can choose again.

Again, logic and reason must abide in unity for all, not the convenience for a few. This is why rape only benefits the one taking. In the end, that debt will be paid by the thief and the ones he harms. God takes the choice away from the thief to preserve those he loves. His intent is to give life again. We lack that power.

Really? Ever read a Bible?

Over to you, KGV!

Numbers 5:11-31[/quote Wrote:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,

13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;

14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:

15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.

16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord:

17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:

18 And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:

19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:

20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:

21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:

24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.

25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the Lord, and offer it upon the altar:

26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.

27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.

29 This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;

30 Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.

31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

(December 9, 2013 at 10:33 am)StrongWaters Wrote:

(December 9, 2013 at 10:21 am)daandaan Wrote:

Simple. God can give life (Baptism is immersion into the waters of life). He says, "you must be born again." His interests are always our own best interests given the problems we cause for ourselves. On the other hand, aborting IS the problem we cause for ourselves. There is a difference by intent. Intention is your unguided reason. Intent is guided by design, wisdom and the highest reason possible. God works from intent. We work from lower logic, reason and common sense that is founded on lower understanding.

God demonstrates the highest axiom with love. Love demands that the governor is the anchor (invariant) and we are heeled (changed by the authority). By killing another human in the name of choice, you deny the choice to the baby. Which choice matters? The mother's or that of the baby? By one choice, the mother lives and the baby dies. By the right choice, both live and can choose again.

Again, logic and reason must abide in unity for all, not the convenience for a few. This is why rape only benefits the one taking. In the end, that debt will be paid by the thief and the ones he harms. God takes the choice away from the thief to preserve those he loves. His intent is to give life again. We lack that power.

god loves abortions himself..

'Give them, O LORD: give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts' Hosea 9:14

'Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.'- Hosea 9:16

'Their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.' Hosea 13:16

god killed EVERY unborn (and born) baby in the WORLD when he caused the Flood.

and god has numerous towns and villages massacred, numerous groups of people etc etc etc etc ...that means that the babies that r killed as well together with the woman that carry a child ..their babies. !!

god loves abortion on atheists
psalms
58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
58:4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
58:5 Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.
58:6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.
58:7 Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.
58:8 AS A SNAIL WHITCH MELTETH, LET EVERY ONE OF THEM PASS AWAY LIKE THE UNTIMELY BIRTH OF A WOMAN, THAT THEY MAY NOT SEE THE LIGHT.

god loves post natal abortion as well as in all the massacres he causes, kids have to be killed ...joshua , numbers, deutronomy Revelation matthew...etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc




the religious r hypocite massmurderes pretending to be against abortion ..but they advocate childmurder in their bible and even abortion coused by god , as in their own fashist manifest is written..

its us atheists that r against abortion becouse the children are our future intellectual resources , given they r not poisoned with religion /

so to make a long story short i m against abortion of children of atheist parents ....whatever happens to the genetic garbage produced by the religious doesnt concern me ...(like atheists need abortion?? its predominantly a problem in the religious society due to lack of sexual education and repression of sexual need and to forbid preservatives)

the only reason the religious r against abortion is the fact that they know the mother isnt able to sustain herself and her kid becouse of bad education and will therefore be dependant on church aid...thereby ensuring they can wrap their fingers around their necks and control their lifes brainwashing the kid even better as their mom, expanding their influence by making more good little fashists for god.


so u r nothing more as a hypocrite liar

Quote:His interests are always our own best interests given the problems we cause for ourselves.

And you know this how, exactly?

strongwaters


." His interests are always our own best interests given the problems we cause for ourselves.``

now, let us check that mathematically

How many people will die at the Battle of Armageddon?


“”The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses' bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.

—Revelation 14:18-20

Let's assume that 1600 stadia (320 kilometres/320,000metres) is the diameter of the lake of blood. Therefore the radius is 800 stadia or 160km. Let's also assume assume that a horse's bridle is approximately 1.5 metres from the ground, giving us its depth.

We can then calculate the volume of blood using the formula: V = ?r2.. Using biblical value of ? = 3 we get the formula:

3 × 160,000 × 160,000 × 1.5 = 115200000000 cubic metres of blood.

1 cubic metre = 1000 litres

25600000000 × 1000 = 115200000000000

If we divide this number by the average amount of blood in a human body, 5.5 litres:

115,200,000,000,000 / 5.5 = 20,945,454,545,500

So we find that according to scripture, at a bare minimum according to Biblical literalism, God will kill approximately 20,945,454,545,500 people. That's in the trillions.



thats nearly 21 trillion people...so that is supposed to be ``in our best interest ??``

u r a lying and decieving hypocrite prick .