(December 11, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Ksa Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 3:17 pm)Sleepy Wrote: Allah prohibits rape. The penalty is death.

That is inexact. Allah prohibits rape, under certain conditions lol. One condition is that women wear the hijab, as it is mentioned in the Qur'an, in Surat An-Nūr 24:31 which says:

"And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons, their sisters' sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed."

If a woman dresses in sexy outfit and she gets raped, it is a common belief among Muslims that she well deserved it. The death penalty applies if the woman is a Muslima and she wears hijab and other religious outfit.

I like the right hand comment. lol

Where was the part where it says it's okay to rape women who don't follow the rules?

(December 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm)Sleepy Wrote: Though most of the moderators are probably there has to be at least one who realizes this individual needs to be removed for wasting my time with a sad excuse for a illegitimate action by this unnatural moderator in my inbox.

This individual continued in the illegitimate message to me stated I ignored his post that he got 8 likes and wanted some more attention for its simple and primitive response. Any body with logic will see why it's senseless to reply to a post like this then I will adress the primitive and simpleon thinkling of this unnatural( previously stated he is quote unquote bisexual.

A wise and mature individual I have never seen use the foul language as did this unnatural individual. It's a sign of immaturity because the individual that speaks it is reduced to fear, anger and cannot control their outbursts. Clear giveaway of this individuals mode of primitive thinking disqualifies his statements from being rational and senseful.

Just to demonstrate how that irrationality translates into the content of this unnatural individuals

It said that it would turn everybody into potential enemies. In basic psychology and evolutionists which you have to know about before making hold claims it's already accepted that males compete for females. Rape has been part of war spoils and not punished for a majority of history. Makes fight over women even today.

The unnatural and deceptive individual also stated that I said I believe it only because Allah forbids it. It's forbidden by Allah because it is against moral code, it's a crime against humanity. It's unnatural like your nature is.

You once again avoided the fact that it is relative and the development of society is something that was formed throughout time. Moses, Abrahahm, Jesus, Muhammad peace be upon all of them and other Prophets as well who brought down God's word about the moral code. As there no objectivity in atheist thinking there is only relativity. One could decide to support rape if he is atheist or against it. One individual stated there's nothing wrong with it just like shooting a person in a face is not wrong as well. There's no objective moral code for atheists while it's the opposite for Muslims. You can't be Muslim and support rape as it is forbidden nor is forced sex in marriage ever encouraged for Muslims. While you can be an atheist and support rape as it is relative to the individual.

It may at this point be worth pointing out that atheism is a position on the existence or not of god and is not a position on rape.

And you are correct, an atheist could be pro-rape and still be an atheist.

Most aren't as you can tell by our replies.

Your assertion that you cannot be a muslim and rape is not born out by the evidence. indeed I was talking to a woman yesterday who spent some time in the Yemen in her youth, who said that as a single woman you cannot walk around without being incessantly groped by the "rapey" muslim men. Whether this appalling behaviour is cultural or Islamic is unknown but the men were muslims and they were acting in a highly sexual and intimidating manner.

(December 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm)Sleepy Wrote: Though most of the moderators are probably there has to be at least one who realizes this individual needs to be removed for wasting my time with a sad excuse for a illegitimate action by this unnatural moderator in my inbox.

Alright Sleeps, it's time for you to be taken to school. Hope you packed your goddamn lunch.

Since you apparently want to make this public, I will too: Sleepy got a verbal warning for his idiocy earlier in this thread, in response to a report not made by me, but by several users when the idiocy itself was going down. Today he sent me a bitchy little memo for being the one to deliver the warning, calling me spineless and deceitful, as if that's somehow gonna change minds.

What I explained to him, and what he apparently still didn't get, is that verbal warnings aren't given out based upon single mod opinions, they require multiple votes in agreement, which we had, for this one. Sleepy is, quite simply, acting like a child because he didn't get his way. I'd invite him to, if he feels he has been wronged by me, to report me to the mods. I'll recuse myself from the voting there, and the abuse of the report system will hasten his travails to ban land.

There's legitimate channels open to you, moron. I suggest you take them, if you feel you've got a legitimate grievance. But I won't be shamed for conducting myself in accordance with the goddamn rules here.

Quote:This individual continued in the illegitimate message to me stated I ignored his post that he got 8 likes and wanted some more attention for its simple and primitive response. Any body with logic will see why it's senseless to reply to a post like this then I will adress the primitive and simpleon thinkling of this unnatural( previously stated he is quote unquote bisexual.

Poor language aside I fail to see how my sexual orientation is germane to this thread, nor your opinions of the legitimacy of it. I'd thank you to keep your bigotry to yourself in future, or continue to let it hang out so we can watch your credibility continue in its nosedive.

Quote:A wise and mature individual I have never seen use the foul language as did this unnatural individual. It's a sign of immaturity because the individual that speaks it is reduced to fear, anger and cannot control their outbursts. Clear giveaway of this individuals mode of primitive thinking disqualifies his statements from being rational and senseful.

I'm Australian, motherfucker. Swearing is a national pastime.

Quote:Just to demonstrate how that irrationality translates into the content of this unnatural individuals

Before we go on, does anybody think he's actually going to be able to pull his stated goal here off?

Quote:It said that it would turn everybody into potential enemies. In basic psychology and evolutionists which you have to know about before making hold claims it's already accepted that males compete for females. Rape has been part of war spoils and not punished for a majority of history. Makes fight over women even today.

Doesn't even address my contention. At all. Ever. Unless you're thinking that whether or not rape is punished by law determines whether the victims of it are okay with it or not? Either way, great show so far!

Quote:The unnatural and deceptive individual also stated that I said I believe it only because Allah forbids it. It's forbidden by Allah because it is against moral code, it's a crime against humanity. It's unnatural like your nature is.

So you don't believe it because Allah forbids it, you just believe it because Allah forbids it. Or are you implying, with that "crime against humanity" bit, that there are some practical reasons why rape should be criminalized? Can you provide a reason why those practical concerns wouldn't be equally true for atheists?

See, that was my point all along.

Quote:You once again avoided the fact that it is relative and the development of society is something that was formed throughout time.

You simply asserting that over and over was what got you the verbal warning in the first place.

Quote: Moses, Abrahahm, Jesus, Muhammad peace be upon all of them and other Prophets as well who brought down God's word about the moral code. As there no objectivity in atheist thinking there is only relativity.

We have an objective reality that we all share: that's where the atheist objectivity comes from. We don't need a cadre of magic men for that.

Quote:One could decide to support rape if he is atheist or against it. One individual stated there's nothing wrong with it just like shooting a person in a face is not wrong as well. There's no objective moral code for atheists while it's the opposite for Muslims. You can't be Muslim and support rape as it is forbidden nor is forced sex in marriage ever encouraged for Muslims. While you can be an atheist and support rape as it is relative to the individual.

And he ends on repeating his initial premise again as though it were a rebuttal, aka: the thing that got him warned in the first place. It's called spamming, Sleepy: just demanding that we accept your point of view over and over adds nothing to the conversation.

(December 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm)Sleepy Wrote: Though most of the moderators are probably there has to be at least one who realizes this individual needs to be removed for wasting my time with a sad excuse for a illegitimate action by this unnatural moderator in my inbox.

You misunderstand the rules of this forum profoundly if you think Esquilax's comments qualify for banning.

(December 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm)Sleepy Wrote: This individual continued in the illegitimate message to me stated I ignored his post that he got 8 likes and wanted some more attention for its simple and primitive response. Any body with logic will see why it's senseless to reply to a post like this then I will adress the primitive and simpleon thinkling of this unnatural( previously stated he is quote unquote bisexual.

Whining to the mods about how butthurt you are in open forum, on the other hand, is pretty risky.

(December 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm)Sleepy Wrote: A wise and mature individual I have never seen use the foul language as did this unnatural individual. It's a sign of immaturity because the individual that speaks it is reduced to fear, anger and cannot control their outbursts. Clear giveaway of this individuals mode of primitive thinking disqualifies his statements from being rational and senseful.

Just because you have mastered the art of being insulting without using 'bad' words doesn't mean you're fooling anyone. Here, what you mean matters much more than what words you choose to express your meaning. And you don't mean well.

(December 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm)Sleepy Wrote: Just to demonstrate how that irrationality translates into the content of this unnatural individuals

It said that it would turn everybody into potential enemies. In basic psychology and evolutionists which you have to know about before making hold claims it's already accepted that males compete for females. Rape has been part of war spoils and not punished for a majority of history. Makes fight over women even today.

And we've made rape a war crime based on natural human concerns instead of scripture. Thousands of years and scripture never made a difference, it took the Enlightenment to bring us to this point.

(December 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm)Sleepy Wrote: The unnatural and deceptive individual also stated that I said I believe it only because Allah forbids it. It's forbidden by Allah because it is against moral code, it's a crime against humanity. It's unnatural like your nature is.

If you believe Allah forbids it for a good reason, you should be able to comprehend people being able to forbid it for good reason without needing Allah to tell them it is wrong.

(December 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm)Sleepy Wrote: You once again avoided the fact that it is relative and the development of society is something that was formed throughout time. Moses, Abrahahm, Jesus, Muhammad peace be upon all of them and other Prophets as well who brought down God's word about the moral code.

As there no objectivity in atheist thinking there is only relativity. One could decide to support rape if he is atheist or against it.

When I am driving 50 mph, I am going 49 mph faster than someone walking 1 mph. My speed relative to that person is 49 mph. Our speed being relative doesn't mean that I can decide it's faster to walk than to drive any more than I can decide it's better to rape someone than hand them a gluten-free cookie with no nuts. Rape is worse relative giving someone that cookie. It's not worse relative to slowly torturing someone to death.

(December 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm)Sleepy Wrote: One individual stated there's nothing wrong with it just like shooting a person in a face is not wrong as well. There's no objective moral code for atheists while it's the opposite for Muslims.

If a Muslim said that it's okay to rape a woman as long as she doesn't wear a hijab, would that justify my extrapolating that to theism, or even Islam?

(December 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm)Sleepy Wrote: You can't be Muslim and support rape as it is forbidden nor is forced sex in marriage ever encouraged for Muslims. While you can be an atheist and support rape as it is relative to the individual.

You can be a theist and support rape. And the frequency with which Muslims commit rape and justify it on religious grounds (however misunderstood and poorly reasoned) gives the lie to the statement that you can't be a Muslim and support rape. At most, you could claim that you can't be a GOOD Muslim and support rape.

Not being able to comprehend that it is invalid to compare a specific religion to atheism is also part of your problem. All theists have in common is that they believe in some sort of deity. All atheists have in common is that we don't. There's no rule that atheists can't believe in objective morals.

Most Western atheists are humanists, humanism condemns rape, and Muslims should wish they had the record of humanist atheists when it comes to actually not raping people.

(December 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm)Sleepy Wrote:

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Though most of the moderators are probably there has to be at least one who realizes this individual needs to be removed for wasting my time with a sad excuse for a illegitimate action by this unnatural moderator in my inbox.

This individual continued in the illegitimate message to me stated I ignored his post that he got 8 likes and wanted some more attention for its simple and primitive response. Any body with logic will see why it's senseless to reply to a post like this then I will adress the primitive and simpleon thinkling of this unnatural( previously stated he is quote unquote bisexual.

A wise and mature individual I have never seen use the foul language as did this unnatural individual. It's a sign of immaturity because the individual that speaks it is reduced to fear, anger and cannot control their outbursts. Clear giveaway of this individuals mode of primitive thinking disqualifies his statements from being rational and senseful.

Just to demonstrate how that irrationality translates into the content of this unnatural individuals

It said that it would turn everybody into potential enemies. In basic psychology and evolutionists which you have to know about before making hold claims it's already accepted that males compete for females. Rape has been part of war spoils and not punished for a majority of history. Makes fight over women even today.

The unnatural and deceptive individual also stated that I said I believe it only because Allah forbids it. It's forbidden by Allah because it is against moral code, it's a crime against humanity. It's unnatural like your nature is.

You once again avoided the fact that it is relative and the development of society is something that was formed throughout time. Moses, Abrahahm, Jesus, Muhammad peace be upon all of them and other Prophets as well who brought down God's word about the moral code. As there no objectivity in atheist thinking there is only relativity. One could decide to support rape if he is atheist or against it. One individual stated there's nothing wrong with it just like shooting a person in a face is not wrong as well. There's no objective moral code for atheists while it's the opposite for Muslims. You can't be Muslim and support rape as it is forbidden nor is forced sex in marriage ever encouraged for Muslims. While you can be an atheist and support rape as it is relative to the individual.

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FSTDT! FSTDT!!!!!!! Man this is great material!

OK, so all Muslims are against rape. The fact that 77% of rape cases in the whole of Sweden are crimes committed by their small Muslim population is a bit awkward isn't it? So, why do we think so many Muslim men are committing crimes they are so against? Are Swedish women so attractive to Muslim men that they're doing it accidentally?

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A wise and mature individual I have never seen use the foul language as did this unnatural individual. It's a sign of immaturity because the individual that speaks it is reduced to fear, anger and cannot control their outbursts. Clear giveaway of this individuals mode of primitive thinking disqualifies his statements from being rational and senseful. 

Lmao, did sleepy just call someone an "unnatural individual"?

Also lol at Rational and" senseful"

Nothing worse than a sensefulless atheist.

Oh come on guys we are being too hard on sleepy, I mean this whole free speech thing takes a lot of getting use to. I mean this is probably the first time he has ever encountered a atheist, a jarring experience for someone so religious no doubt. So sleepy why notbmove to Saudi Arabia and avoid this stuff, foreign workers make good money there and you can marry a nice Muslim girl and not even worry about her going on the internet, let alone outside without your permission.

I think Sleepy wants to portray his religion has holy, while presenting just the opposite for himself. Well done, you just ashamed alot of moderate muslims.

Sleepy said:

Quote:You can't be Muslim and support rape as it is forbidden nor is forced sex in marriage ever encouraged for Muslims.

And Sleepy also said:

Quote:The husband/ wife can't say I don't want to talk to you right, I don't want to have sex right now. You have to do your duty as a spouse.

If for some reason some woman or husband denies sex to their spouse then if it was me I would insist lol. If she was sick, hurt than that's fine. If it's for no reason, then the husband/wife is not doing good at all.

So the wife cannot say that she does not want sex, and if she does she is not doing good at all. If it was you, you would insist (lol?) but none of this is encouraged for Muslims. So, are you just a fucking fanny because of your religion or in spite of it? Wanker.