Quote:We act with the best information we have. Unfortunately, sooner or later, innocent lives are going to get caught in the crossfire. But if you have access to privileged information on the actual whereabouts of the terrorists who are trying to kill us maybe you can share it with our military so innocent lives can be saved. Otherwise, I don't see you offering a better and viable option to keeping our country safe from terrorist attacks.

I have a better and viable option: let's stop trying to make Team America: World Police into a documentary film. I think we're all adult enough to understand that the idea of THEM coming over HERE to FORCE SHARIA LAW down our throats because THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM is shit. They hate us because we're all up in their shit. Get our military out of these places, and almost all of them who are beefing with the U.S. will lose their will to carry it out.

@ FaithnoMore, what about the innocent that died on 9/11, do we not owe them to try and eliminate these people who couldn't care less about innocence. War will always claim the innocent, such as the families of the soldiers that die to defend your home and freedom, the drones help to eliminate the death of some soldiers and keep the innocent family members here from becoming victims of terrorist. War is never ever nice and never will be sanitary, so you might as well accept this fact, innocent people get hurt in wars.

GC

Do/did all those families want us to do this in response to 9/11? Even so, if you care about the innocent, you will try to avoid doing shit that, ya know, kills the innocent. Such as... invading, bombing, and droning other countries.

(December 19, 2013 at 10:50 am)Manowar Wrote: This guy has killed innocent men, women and children with his drones. I think a few days ago a wedding party in Yemen was bombed by accident.
He should be held accountable.

manowar

Well, I don't know, tell this to the guys who gave him the Nobel peace prize.

(December 20, 2013 at 8:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: @ FaithnoMore, what about the innocent that died on 9/11, do we not owe them to try and eliminate these people who couldn't care less about innocence. War will always claim the innocent, such as the families of the soldiers that die to defend your home and freedom, the drones help to eliminate the death of some soldiers and keep the innocent family members here from becoming victims of terrorist. War is never ever nice and never will be sanitary, so you might as well accept this fact, innocent people get hurt in wars.

GC

The people who flew the planes into the buildings were eliminated... by their own hands... when they flew the planes into the buildings.

Sarcasm aside, I agree with FNM. What we're doing right now makes us no better (and maybe actually worse) from those who masterminded 9/11.

Well, I don't think that there war for the US is a moral question. There are no other reasons for the US to pursue active war outside of its borders. They have no kinsman to liberate, nor and solid enemies that they can tackle, only a few fringe groups of insurgents for which they invade countries.
But there are reasons that are associated with the acquisition of raw materials and such, which are, in my opinion, valid reasons for a nation to actively seek war.
So in such cases, one must surrender moral superiority to the enemy, since moral superiority does not win wars.

(December 20, 2013 at 8:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: @ FaithnoMore, what about the innocent that died on 9/11, do we not owe them to try and eliminate these people who couldn't care less about innocence. War will always claim the innocent, such as the families of the soldiers that die to defend your home and freedom, the drones help to eliminate the death of some soldiers and keep the innocent family members here from becoming victims of terrorist. War is never ever nice and never will be sanitary, so you might as well accept this fact, innocent people get hurt in wars.

I do accept that innocent people get hurt in wars. What I reject is engaging in a campaign that drastically raises the risk of killing innocents, all in the name of bloodlust. Sure, drones eliminate the death of some soldiers, but you know what eliminate the death of all the soldiers? Dropping a nuclear bomb on the area. But we don't do that because of the injury it would cause to people that have absolutely no part in the conflict. Now, clearly the drones cause a lot less damage than a nuke, but my point was to illustrate that saving a life isn't justification to be wreckless in our efforts to defeat the enemy.

If we truly want to be the "good guys" and do what is right and just, we would not engage in any campaign that results in the absolute bare minimum amount of risk to innocent lives.

(December 20, 2013 at 9:18 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(December 20, 2013 at 8:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: @ FaithnoMore, what about the innocent that died on 9/11, do we not owe them to try and eliminate these people who couldn't care less about innocence. War will always claim the innocent, such as the families of the soldiers that die to defend your home and freedom, the drones help to eliminate the death of some soldiers and keep the innocent family members here from becoming victims of terrorist. War is never ever nice and never will be sanitary, so you might as well accept this fact, innocent people get hurt in wars.

I do accept that innocent people get hurt in wars. What I reject is engaging in a campaign that drastically raises the risk of killing innocents, all in the name of bloodlust. Sure, drones eliminate the death of some soldiers, but you know what eliminate the death of all the soldiers? Dropping a nuclear bomb on the area. But we don't do that because of the injury it would cause to people that have absolutely no part in the conflict. Now, clearly the drones cause a lot less damage than a nuke, but my point was to illustrate that saving a life isn't justification to be wreckless in our efforts to defeat the enemy.

If we truly want to be the "good guys" and do what is right and just, we would not engage in any campaign that results in the absolute bare minimum amount of risk to innocent lives.

Well, I don't think that you're the good guys, but I certainly don't think that you're the bad guys either.
I don't think that the US is too keen to harm civillians, as I also think that America wishes things to go smoothly, and angering the locals would simply make things a lot of harder.
Accidents do happen though, human error.

(December 20, 2013 at 12:03 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(December 20, 2013 at 11:10 am)whateverist Wrote: Too bad I can't trust you to be objective in this case.

Too bad I really don't give a shit what your pompous ass thinks.

That's okay. My pompous ass doesn't care what your dumb ass thinks either.

Quote:We act with the best information we have.

Which sadly has proven to be woefully inadequate....unless someone is a fascist moron like you who is just happy to be killing somebody, somewhere.