(January 6, 2014 at 9:10 am)Esquilax Wrote: No, I'm saying that if "intuitional science" is a science then it produces hypotheses and testable predictions that lead to applications in the real world, which is something I'd imagine you'd be all to happy to explain to us, if there actually were any.

When you say..........IN THE REAL WORLD.........you mean in this physical world, right?
Yoga is the connection between this physical world and the REAL world which is not this physical world.
You may well see and measure progress physically and mentally speaking but this is not what yoga aim to really.
As far as physical science at the moment can not measure the progress made to reduce the distance that separate a human from God then it is very hard to talk about verifiable evidence but you never know maybe it will be invented a machine able to see how far is the destination.

Quote:But this is like the fourth time I've asked you this question, and it's the fourth time you've dodged it rather than providing an answer: at what point do we determine that your remarkable evasiveness is just down to the fact that you're simply making stuff up to legitimize the irrational prism through which you interpret the world, as though simply drawing the word science on your bullshit with crayon makes it reputable. Now, can you produce any real results that intuitional science has produced, or not?

I can not walk on the water nor i can levitate but this is not what yoga is all about so i don't really care about it.
What i care is to reduce the distance that separate me from the ocean of cosmic consciousness and this is a personal thing.
As far as you would tell me to mind my own business if i would ask you to give evidence about your relationship why are you asking about result that intuitional science has produced?
The only way to find this out is to engage in this science instead to pretend to see result from other people.

Quote:You would first need to establish that there is something outside of physicality that science is failing to detect, which is another thing you've been asked multiple times, and another question you've dodged without providing anything. You understand that you look like a conman or a fool, right?

To understand anything you got to have the right tools.
Since when physical science has got the right tools to understand what is behind his borders?

Quote:Have you established that consciousness is anything more than the emergent property of the brain that the current evidence shows it to be? No? Then stop putting the cart before the horse, moron.

What is the brain?
Have you got a clue?
If you can demonstrate to me that the brain is more then a storage of information then i will cover you in 24 carat gold.
And if you can demonstrate to me that brain and consciousness are the same things then i will make you a king.
Again i will wait until next Christmas for your evidence.

(January 6, 2014 at 9:52 am)enrico Wrote: When you say..........IN THE REAL WORLD.........you mean in this physical world, right?
Yoga is the connection between this physical world and the REAL world which is not this physical world.

Great, so by your own admission there are physical signs of intuitional ideas working that one can test. So, you'll have no trouble detailing some hypotheses and evidence that intuitional science has produced.

There must be some, if what you're saying has any bearing on reality.

Quote:I can not walk on the water nor i can levitate but this is not what yoga is all about so i don't really care about it.

Great, so now I know what yoga isn't about. Awesome. Now care to tell me what intuitional science is about?

Quote:What i care is to reduce the distance that separate me from the ocean of cosmic consciousness and this is a personal thing.

It very much seems that what I suggested before, that this intuitional science is just you wittering on to try and give your personal opinions some objective credibility, is entirely accurate.

Quote:As far as you would tell me to mind my own business if i would ask you to give evidence about your relationship why are you asking about result that intuitional science has produced?

Except that back when you asked that I provided several ways that you could verify my relationship. So where's your verification of the efficacy of intuitional science?

Quote:The only way to find this out is to engage in this science instead to pretend to see result from other people.

Translation: "If you convince yourself that my unjustified, baseless assertions are true, you would agree with me."

Quote:To understand anything you got to have the right tools.
Since when physical science has got the right tools to understand what is behind his borders?

So your answer is to merely repeat your initial assertion. Allow me to remind you again: assertions are not evidence that those assertions are true.

Quote:What is the brain?
Have you got a clue?
If you can demonstrate to me that the brain is more then a storage of information then i will cover you in 24 carat gold.

I don't think it is more than that, though. Consciousness is an emergent property of that.

Quote:And if you can demonstrate to me that brain and consciousness are the same things then i will make you a king.
Again i will wait until next Christmas for your evidence.

Please go back a ways and look at my picture of a brain scan again, enrico. That's one hundred percent more objective evidence than you have produced in your entire time here.

(January 6, 2014 at 9:13 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Ok, what does this have to do with intuitional science? Is it something discovered BY intuitional science? If so, how. What's the intuitional scientific method?

Don't you know what a plumber do when a pipe is blocked?
He probably use some sort of device that is able to unblock the pipe so the water can run freely.
Yoga also use some device so the pipe (spinal cord) is unblocked and the kundalini can reach the top.
This pipe is abstract so you got to use abstract tools like tantric meditation but also physical tools like exercise and other things.
It is a war on several fronts.
If the pipe is blocked by materialism then you will have to exit materialism and the best way is to engage in spirituality which is the opposite.

(January 6, 2014 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote:

(January 6, 2014 at 9:13 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Ok, what does this have to do with intuitional science? Is it something discovered BY intuitional science? If so, how. What's the intuitional scientific method?

Don't you know what a plumber do when a pipe is blocked?
He probably use some sort of device that is able to unblock the pipe so the water can run freely.
Yoga also use some device so the pipe (spinal cord) is unblocked and the kundalini can reach the top.
This pipe is abstract so you got to use abstract tools like tantric meditation but also physical tools like exercise and other things.
It is a war on several fronts.
If the pipe is blocked by materialism then you will have to exit materialism and the best way is to engage in spirituality which is the opposite.

I understand your belief here, but it's not really answering my question. What has this belief got to do with intuitional science? I hear your conclusion, I want to know how you arrived at it. Is intuitional science the method through which this model of spinal function was discovered?

Let me put it another way. Let's say I wanted to test, oh don't know, homeopathy. Science offers a method for doing this (generate a falsifiable hypothesis and experimentally test it). How would intuitional science go about establishing if homeopathy was genuinely effective or merely woo?

Well, at least you answered me this time

(January 6, 2014 at 8:09 am)enrico Wrote: 1) Every action has got to have an equal and opposite reaction.
This work in physic so why would not work everywhere else like in the karma law?

Because we can demonstrate physics again and again, karma on the other hand.....

(January 6, 2014 at 8:09 am)enrico Wrote: 2) Don't worry about Hitler, he may well be reborn as the cockroach that you just trampled on before.
And then he may well come back again and again a myriad of time to be squashed again and again.

And yet again asserting things without any evidence whatsoever. You still need to provide evidence that reincarnation exists before we believe that Hitler will come back as a cockroach.

(January 6, 2014 at 8:09 am)enrico Wrote: I rather would worry about you boy.

What are you implying?

(January 6, 2014 at 9:08 am)enrico Wrote: According to my religious dogma, at the bottom of the spinal cord there is the vital force called kundalini.
According to my religious dogma, The method consist in bringing this vital force up to the top of the spinal cord in the pineal gland.
According to my religious dogma, By cleaning this sort of pipe (spinal cord) then the vital force will be able to reach the top.
How it get cleaned?
By practicing the dogmatically derived practices of other tantrics (tantric meditation, exercises, veg. diet, regular fasting, and other things).

I know I really shouldn't, it's wicked to mock the afflicted after all, but I really won't sleep if I ignore the temptation.

(January 6, 2014 at 9:08 am)enrico Wrote: According to yoga at the bottom of the spinal cord there is the vital force called kundalini.
The method consist in bringing this vital force up to the top of the spinal cord in the pineal gland.
By cleaning this sort of pipe (spinal cord) then the vital force will be able to reach the top.
How it get cleaned?
By practicing yoga (tantric meditation, exercises, veg. diet, regular fasting, and other things).

I suggest you look for better imagery for your analogy. The spinal cord is not a pipe, by any stretch of the definitions. Dropping a length of dirty spine into the shitter will definitely make your pipe feel cleaned, and probably make you feel incredibly spiritual as well, but it does shit for any supposed vital forces.

I'm not even going to bother asking for some measurable evidence for this force.

(January 6, 2014 at 9:16 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(January 6, 2014 at 9:12 am)enrico Wrote: Oh, i was just thinking about you.

Nothing dirty I hope. I don't generally swing both ways.

Well, he's always winking at me.

(January 6, 2014 at 10:08 am)Esquilax Wrote: Great, so by your own admission there are physical signs of intuitional ideas working that one can test. So, you'll have no trouble detailing some hypotheses and evidence that intuitional science has produced.

You are making a hell of a confusion.
You don't get ideas by practicing intuitional science.
You just enter the cosmic flow bit by bit as you progress.
Suppose this wave ~~~~~~~ represent the actual stage of your consciousness and this _____________ represent the cosmic flow which is the perfection.
The cosmic flow is not made of ideas but is a state of consciousness in which there is total peace and happiness.
Can you really describe this state and give evidence?
Stupid question.
You just enjoy and that's it.

Quote: Now care to tell me what intuitional science is about?

It is not that my memory isn't good in remembering how many times i already explained this, it is just frustrating to see people asking the same question again and again.
This science is the work of discovering the hidden knowledge so it become part of you.
The iceberg is one but unless you see the part under the water you only know what is above.
Capish?

Quote:It very much seems that what I suggested before, that this intuitional science is just you wittering on to try and give your personal opinions some objective credibility, is entirely accurate.

How can be a personal opinion?
When you enter the cosmic flow there can not be personal opinion.
When a drop of water enter the ocean that drop can not keep on having a personality of her own.
It just become the ocean so the personal feeling is gone for ever.

Quote:Except that back when you asked that I provided several ways that you could verify my relationship. So where's your verification of the efficacy of intuitional science?

As the feeling get more subtle and subtle then it become harder and harder to express that feeling.
The glands that control an ejaculation are located at the bottom of the spinal cord but the one that express spiritual love is located at the top of the spinal cord in the pineal gland.
To pretend to get the same verification is total insanity.

Quote:Consciousness is an emergent property of that.

Total madness boy.
It is like to say that you are an emerging property of the hard drive if we consider that the mind is just a storage of information just like the hard drive is.

Quote:Please go back a ways and look at my picture of a brain scan again, enrico. That's one hundred percent more objective evidence than you have produced in your entire time here.

Your scan may even be able to measure the degree of consciousness within one brain.
At the same time i can see that inside a car there is a driver.
That does not mean that the car and the driver are one.
Can you see how ridiculous you are?

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(January 6, 2014 at 5:08 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I suggest you look for better imagery for your analogy. The spinal cord is not a pipe, by any stretch of the definitions. Dropping a length of dirty spine into the shitter will definitely make your pipe feel cleaned, and probably make you feel incredibly spiritual as well, but it does shit for any supposed vital forces.

1) We are talking about an ABSTRACT pipe Stimbo.
2) How would you know that the spinal cord is not a pipe?
3) Who said that you have to drop a length of pipe in the shitter when i said that the pipe need only to be cleaned?
Ok. i understand that you may have had an hard day but next time be a bit more observant.

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After coming up with the pretence that you are a yogini (it made me feel like vomiting) now you are manipulate my sentences.
It just show your low degree of consciousness.
Wonder why Stimbo gave you a kudos when he said that he does not like manipulations.

So, just to be clear, is there anybody here who isn't now convinced that rico's "intuitional science," is just him dressing up the sentiment of "this is what I want to believe, but instead of admitting that I've got no support for that beyond my own desires, I'm just going to pretend it's some bold universal truth that only the truly intelligent can know."?

That is not a science, not truthful, not honest, and certainly not intelligent. Nice try, Rico.

(January 6, 2014 at 10:26 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I understand your belief here, but it's not really answering my question. What has this belief got to do with intuitional science? I hear your conclusion, I want to know how you arrived at it. Is intuitional science the method through which this model of spinal function was discovered?
Let me put it another way. Let's say I wanted to test, oh don't know, homeopathy. Science offers a method for doing this (generate a falsifiable hypothesis and experimentally test it). How would intuitional science go about establishing if homeopathy was genuinely effective or merely woo?

You need a guru first of all.
The real guru or teacher is God but here we enter a complex philosophical argument that at the moment i do not want to enter.
The teacher explain you how the system works and in order to enter that world you got to put the teaching into practice.
As i just explained in a previous post when a drop of water enter the ocean it loose her identity and become the ocean itself so it assume the ocean identity.
At this stage all the truth is there.

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(January 7, 2014 at 10:25 am)Esquilax Wrote: So, just to be clear, is there anybody here who isn't now convinced that rico's "intuitional science," is just him dressing up the sentiment of "this is what I want to believe, but instead of admitting that I've got no support for that beyond my own desires, I'm just going to pretend it's some bold universal truth that only the truly intelligent can know."?

That is not a science, not truthful, not honest, and certainly not intelligent. Nice try, Rico.

I really did not expect any intelligent comment from you so i get the usual garbage.
Now all drop of water enter the ocean and become one with the ocean so why wouldn't they feel that they are one with the ocean.
They certainly will feel that the truth is one and no diversity are possible so by practicing the same science it is obvious that everybody will end up in the same place and the truth is only one.
Only one imbecile would think otherwise.