(February 4, 2014 at 3:19 pm)jg2014 Wrote: Vegan food is delicious, and it also doesn't cause that feeling of disgust at having brutally murdered another conscious being, which definitely adds to the flavour

I eat vegan food in between bites of meat so I know what you mean about it being delicious. However even though plants taste good meat tastes better. I have never felt disgust during or after a meal of meat.
I think you are angry at the world because you can't eat meat. Your silly conscious won't allow you to so you are jealous of others doing it. I bet if I had a ribeye steak cooking on the grill that your mouth would water and you stomach would ache wanting some. Oh well eat your baked potato and salad.

(February 4, 2014 at 8:19 am)Aractus Wrote: It's not trolling since it is difficult to satisfy our taste buds with a vegan diet. You can kick up the biggest fuss you like, but them's the facts.

No ancient society has ever thrived on a vegan or vegetarian diet - despite the fact that you and the other vegans here keep claiming that it's easier, cheaper and more efficient to get our nutrition without meat. Think about that for a second. For all the diseases that meat may have brought when it was less hygienic than it is today, and all the other disadvantages to it, it had to still have advantages that outweighed the costs or otherwise we'd have ancient societies that thrived without any meat!

Vegans in fact know that meat is delicious, and that's why much of the processed vegan food they eat has MSG's and artificial flavours added (and consequently carcinogens) - you wouldn't need to add these if the flavour obtained purely from unprocessed vegan foods was enough to satisfy our taste buds. That's cheating. And it's really not healthy either. So much for your cancer-causing pseudo-meat patties.

So I'll say this once again - vegetarian diets can be healthy. But if you're replacing meat with processed foods containing MSG then you're aren't better off than you were eating meat, you're worse off.

Wrong. One of the most common causes of death in developed countries is heart attack or stroke. They are the same thing, really, caused by a buildup of animal fat blocking up one or more arteries. If one never consumes animal fat, they can never have a heart attack or stroke. That's a huge health benefit.

(February 4, 2014 at 5:35 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:

(February 4, 2014 at 8:19 am)Aractus Wrote: It's not trolling since it is difficult to satisfy our taste buds with a vegan diet. You can kick up the biggest fuss you like, but them's the facts.

No ancient society has ever thrived on a vegan or vegetarian diet - despite the fact that you and the other vegans here keep claiming that it's easier, cheaper and more efficient to get our nutrition without meat. Think about that for a second. For all the diseases that meat may have brought when it was less hygienic than it is today, and all the other disadvantages to it, it had to still have advantages that outweighed the costs or otherwise we'd have ancient societies that thrived without any meat!

Vegans in fact know that meat is delicious, and that's why much of the processed vegan food they eat has MSG's and artificial flavours added (and consequently carcinogens) - you wouldn't need to add these if the flavour obtained purely from unprocessed vegan foods was enough to satisfy our taste buds. That's cheating. And it's really not healthy either. So much for your cancer-causing pseudo-meat patties.

So I'll say this once again - vegetarian diets can be healthy. But if you're replacing meat with processed foods containing MSG then you're aren't better off than you were eating meat, you're worse off.

Wrong. One of the most common causes of death in developed countries is heart attack or stroke. They are the same thing, really, caused by a buildup of animal fat blocking up one or more arteries. If one never consumes animal fat, they can never have a heart attack or stroke. That's a huge health benefit.

There is considerable evidence that artery fat build up is a symptom of scaring of arterial wall resulting from hidden arterial infections. It would seem preventing or promptly detecting and treating arterial infection is a less intrusive way of dealing with the issue than whole sale revision of diet.

(February 4, 2014 at 5:40 pm)Chuck Wrote: There is considerable evidence that artery fat build up is a symptom of scaring of arterial wall resulting from hidden arterial infections. It would seem preventing or promptly detecting and treating arterial infection is a less intrusive way of dealing with the issue than whole sale revision of diet.

And how the hell are you supposed to detect that?

(February 4, 2014 at 5:35 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Wrong. One of the most common causes of death in developed countries is heart attack or stroke. They are the same thing, really, caused by a buildup of animal fat blocking up one or more arteries. If one never consumes animal fat, they can never have a heart attack or stroke. That's a huge health benefit.

This isn't true. Strokes and heart attacks are absolutely not the same thing; one has to do with the heart and the other, the brain. Vegetarians and vegans might have lower risk for stroke or heart attack, but they can absolutely have either.

(February 4, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: The sun causes cancer too. I'm not that bothered to be honest.

Nobody's bothered by cancer until they're told they have to do chemo, or worse, that there's no point doing chemo.

The human inability to emotionally appreciate things that are statistically or logically true is the reason we get ourselves into serious danger as a species. It's obvious that we're raping the world, and that there are going to be consequences. But since the change is too slow to see with the proverbial eye, we keep making up excuses or throwing red herring or strawman arguments to avoid having to do anything unpleasant right now.

(February 4, 2014 at 5:43 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: This isn't true. Strokes and heart attacks are absolutely not the same thing; one has to do with the heart and the other, the brain. Vegetarians and vegans might have lower risk for stroke or heart attack, but they can absolutely have either.

They're the same thing in different parts of the body.

My biology professor, who I'm just guessing probably knows more on the subject than you, says different.

(February 4, 2014 at 5:42 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:

(February 4, 2014 at 5:40 pm)Chuck Wrote: There is considerable evidence that artery fat build up is a symptom of scaring of arterial wall resulting from hidden arterial infections. It would seem preventing or promptly detecting and treating arterial infection is a less intrusive way of dealing with the issue than whole sale revision of diet.

And how the hell are you supposed to detect that?

I don't know if method for clinical detection current exists. But there are common paths along which such detection can developed. One is using analysis of antibodies in your bloodstream.

It may also be possible to develop vaccines against arterial infection pathogens.

Yeah, maybe he does, but you don't. You said vegetarians and vegans can't have heart attacks or strokes.

(February 4, 2014 at 5:49 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Yeah, maybe he does, but you don't. You said vegetarians and vegans can't have heart attacks or strokes.

No, I said if you never consume animal fat in your lifetime, you cannot have a heart attack or stroke. I am a vegetarian, but I have consumed animal fat, so I am still at risk (though still much lower risk than others).