Im a vegetarian/vegan. . I eat a juicy burger and then make myself throw up.. soo. No digesting necessary!!!

(January 6, 2014 at 10:52 am)là bạn điên Wrote: I'm a vegan for moral reasons just wanted to know if any others are here.

I have no interest in your opinions if you are NOT one I have heard every 'steak tastes good' peta stands for people eating tasty animals argument thanks. Just want to know if anyone else is one?

I've been a vegetarian for a little less than five years now. I'm not a vegan because I don't see anything wrong with eating dairy products. I'm also not a big fan of PETA because they are too militant and it seems they actually encourage people to eat meat with their aggressive behavior.

I mainly became vegetarian because I saw what people do to animals in slaughterhouses and I was horrified. I also became vegetarian because of all the industrial pollution from animal slaughterhouses.

(February 11, 2014 at 10:19 am)enrico Wrote:

(February 10, 2014 at 8:07 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Cavemen. Animal bones. /finished

So what it means the evidence that even caveman were eating meat?
As i already explained in previous post it means that during hard times man restore to eating whatever is available and even during easier times he can carry on with this unnatural habit.

There's never been a time, at any point in recorded history, when people have not eaten meat. Dude, give it up, your argument is dead.

Quote:People like you that behave like Gandhi or the Dalai Lama do more damage that meat eaters.

lolwhat?

1) Ghandi was partly responsible for the end of the British occupation of India. Big success.

2) The Dalai Lama is NOT vegetarian. He escaped from Tibet because he didn't want the Chinese soldiers to shoot him in the head.

I'm neither of these, or anything like them.

Quote:Meat eaters will learn the hard way when vascular diseases will strike when their arteries will choke because of saturated fats, bad cholesterol and toxins coming mainly from meat eating so they one day will shut up and the meat policy will finally change but you with your refusal to fight and have compassion for those who cause problem for everybody will serve to procrastinate the rot.

Have you been reading this thread, dumbass? Have you not seen me arguing that it's more moral to abstain from eating meat, that meat is unnecessary, and that too much meat is obviously unhealthy?

Quote:Mother nature did not provide herbivorous with the capacity to digest meat.
That is one of the reason why madcow disease sprung up after these animals were given food containing rest of other animals.
Humans follow similar problems as their body can not deal with meat eating.
The difference between herbivorous and man is that while man has the capacity to make decisions (in this case wrong one) animals can not and they are really stuck with instinct and their instinct tell them what to eat and what not to eat.

The spread of disease has nothing to do with whether or not something is natural. DISEASE is natural. So is death.

Quote:Most of the poor people feel envy to see that rich people have the money to buy and eat meat.
This did not happen only in the past but happen all the time as we can see in the emerging countries where better economic condition allow people to buy more and more meat.
So is not that my grandparents were omnivore by nature but it was that they follow bad habits which were build up in the past for the same reasons and as i already said because the habit of eating meat continue after periods of hardship.

Europe has been among the richest regions since Greece, and Europeans have ALWAYS eaten meat, in war time or in peace, in poverty or in wealth.

You really have to learn that every idea that pops into your head is not actually evidence. You have to look around the real world for actual evidence.

Quote:Unnatural cooked food like meat may well be easy to digest but what this has got to do with the natural human being food like fruit and nuts which if you cook you will ruin their nutritional value?

Under natural conditions, it would not be possible for early humans to get enough protein and calories from these sources to sustain the human brain.

Quote:Garbage.
Fruit and nuts need no fire.

Early humans couldn't go to their local supermarket and buy big bags of those food items. I think you're getting lost-- we are not talking about healthy diet choices of today-- we're talking about evolution, and the fact that humans necessarily evolved to eat both meat and plant foods.

Quote:Again, how did they hunt before they had enough brains to invent weapons?

Learn how Google works, dude. The answers to your bullshit questions are all over the internet:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+did+human+hunting+evolve

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(February 11, 2014 at 5:52 pm)KUSA Wrote: Here's some raw meat that makes me salivate.

No, no, no!

Don't you know that humans aren't designed to wear bikinis? Hippos don't wear bikinis. . . do they? *smiles smugly to self at finding killer point*

You guys contradict yourself.
Most of you believe in evolution but evolution take his time to make changes.
To turn a carnivore into omnivore and a omnivore into a veg. it may take some million of years.
Now considering that ominids and humans have all the charaterisics of veg. then we can come to the conclusion that we have been veg for at least a million of years.
The evidence is there.
1) Ominids skulls and teeth have all the characteristics of veg. eaters.
2) Man does not salivate at the sight of raw meat.
3) The human digestive system can not deal with meat.
There are other reason but these would be non physical reason so i avoid to talk about them.
All in all there are enough reasons to say that since man is man his characteristics are totally vegetarian.

Some points i would like to clear.
1) Somebody say that our digestive system can deal with meat.
I can tell you that a car that suppose to use petrol or gasoline can even go with Kerosene but after some time it will clog up and wear faster.
2) Somebody ask for evidence that meat is loaded with saturated fats, bad cholesterol and toxins and all this cause cardiovascular diseases, type 2 diabets and other diseases.
It doesn't really need to study medicine like a doctor to know all this.
This is the simple knowledge that even a non doctor suppose to know.
If you don't know just click ......meat saturated fats cholesterol ......in your search engine and you will find hundreds of evidence.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content...2108.short
3) Even Charles Darwin that believe in evolution stated that early humans were fruit and veg. eaters and that throughout history out anatomy has not changed.
So what you do?
Do you believe in evolution or you pretend to?
Make up your mind guys.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: You guys contradict yourself.
Most of you believe in evolution but evolution take his time to make changes.

Oh fantastic! A lecture about how evolution supports his assertions from the guy that doesn't understand evolution.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: Now considering that ominids and humans have all the charaterisics of veg.

Humans share some characteristics with herbivores. We also share some with carnivores. Stop ignoring everybody else and open your damn eyes.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: then we can come to the conclusion that we have been veg for at least a million of years.

No

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: The evidence is there.
1) Ominids skulls and teeth have all the characteristics of veg. eaters.

No they don't. I have already explained this to you Enrico. Humans have molar teeth. Which are designed for chewing on plant matter. We also have canine teeth, designed to grip onto meat. We also have incisor teeth which are designed to slice through meat.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: 2) Man does not salivate at the sight of raw meat.

Wrong again. I am a man and I salivate at the sight of raw meat. And before you pull out that stupid argument that you did before, remember that you have no evidence of that so no one is going to believe it.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: 3) The human digestive system can not deal with meat.

Wrong again! The human digestive system deals with meat very well.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: There are other reason but these would be non physical reason so i avoid to talk about them.

Oh no, by all means, blather on.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: All in all there are enough reasons to say that since man is man his characteristics are totally vegetarian.

Wrong. Literally everybody else viewing this thread, disagrees with you. Why do you think that is exactly?

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: Some points i would like to clear.
1) Somebody say that our digestive system can deal with meat.
I can tell you that a car that suppose to use petrol or gasoline can even go with Kerosene but after some time it will clog up and wear faster.

Oh fantastic, we are back to making completely unrelated comparisons.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: 2) Somebody ask for evidence that meat is loaded with saturated fats, bad cholesterol and toxins and all this cause cardiovascular diseases, type 2 diabets and other diseases.
It doesn't really need to study medicine like a doctor to know all this.
This is the simple knowledge that even a non doctor suppose to know.
If you don't know just click ......meat saturated fats cholesterol ......in your search engine and you will find hundreds of evidence.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content...2108.short

And as I have already explained to you it is the quantity of food that makes people unhealthy.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: 3) Even Charles Darwin that believe in evolution stated that early humans were fruit and veg. eaters and that throughout history out anatomy has not changed.

Well, if he did really say that, you will have no trouble quoting him, will you?



I'm pretty sure you have just completely ignored absolutely everybody else on here. You have continued with your bald assertions again and again despite many corrections. I think that counts as spamming. I hope you get banned soon.

Enrico, here's a list some of the errors you are making:
1) appeal to authority-- Darwin. Darwin could think whatever he wanted about humans, but it takes actual research, not just a clever mind, to arrive at meaningful results.
2) false analogy-- human body vs. cars. Ancient cars have not been found with traces of kerosene around their fire-pits. 6/7 cars don't have a craving for kerosene even though it involves kerosene suffering.
3) argumentum ad nauseam-- you keep repeating the same "evidence" and ideas, without providing any actual evidence. Saying it againt won't make you more right. Linking recent studies, and quoting important passages, will.
4) unsupported assertions-- humans can't digest meat. Bullshit-- 6 billion people in the world are processing meat all the time as part of their diet.
5) non sequitur-- if humans have the physiology of vegetarians, then humans should not eat meat.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: You guys contradict yourself.
Most of you believe in evolution but evolution take his time to make changes.
To turn a carnivore into omnivore and a omnivore into a veg. it may take some million of years.
Now considering that ominids and humans have all the charaterisics of veg. then we can come to the conclusion that we have been veg for at least a million of years.
The evidence is there.
1)Ominids skulls and teeth have all the characteristics of veg. eaters.
2) Man does not salivate at the sight of raw meat.
3) The human digestive system can not deal with meat.
There are other reason but these would be non physical reason so i avoid to talk about them.

Clearly you do NOT know the difference between a carnivore, omnivore, herbivore, or a vegan and vegetarian. Using "veg" to describe your argument in attempt to tell us that we are not omnivores just shows how ignorant you are.

It is not just skulls and teeth(which you suck at reading,I may add) that tell us what an animal is. It is also digestive enzymes, digestive tract length, and digestive structures and functions. Here is a "simple" explanation..

Carnivores- Have enzymes to digest meat and to kill bacteria on raw meat. This is why dogs and cats can eat raw meat and not get sick. They have short digestive tracts. Meat is much easier to break down then plants thus the shorter digestive tract. Have sharp canines and molars to rip meat.

Omnivores- Have enzymes to break down both plant and meat. Have sharp canines but “flatter” molars the carnivores. Have Longer digestive tracts than carnivores but shorter than herbivores.Digestive structures varies between species, allowing some of them to be either more carnivorous or more herbivorous.

Herbivores- Have enzymes to break down plants. Have long digestive tracts because breaking down plants takes longer. Some herbivores are ruminants, meaning that they have a four compartment stomach to help break down plant material. Teeth are flat surface to grind plants and make them easier to digest. Some have canines that may be used for fighting.

(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: You guys contradict yourself.
Most of you believe in evolution but evolution take his time to make changes.
To turn a carnivore into omnivore and a omnivore into a veg. it may take some million of years.
Now considering that ominids and humans have all the charaterisics of veg. then we can come to the conclusion that we have been veg for at least a million of years.
The evidence is there.
1) Ominids skulls and teeth have all the characteristics of veg. eaters.
2) Man does not salivate at the sight of raw meat.
3) The human digestive system can not deal with meat.
There are other reason but these would be non physical reason so i avoid to talk about them.
All in all there are enough reasons to say that since man is man his characteristics are totally vegetarian.

Some points i would like to clear.
1) Somebody say that our digestive system can deal with meat.
I can tell you that a car that suppose to use petrol or gasoline can even go with Kerosene but after some time it will clog up and wear faster.
2) Somebody ask for evidence that meat is loaded with saturated fats, bad cholesterol and toxins and all this cause cardiovascular diseases, type 2 diabets and other diseases.
It doesn't really need to study medicine like a doctor to know all this.
This is the simple knowledge that even a non doctor suppose to know.
If you don't know just click ......meat saturated fats cholesterol ......in your search engine and you will find hundreds of evidence.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content...2108.short
3) Even Charles Darwin that believe in evolution stated that early humans were fruit and veg. eaters and that throughout history out anatomy has not changed.
So what you do?
Do you believe in evolution or you pretend to?
Make up your mind guys.

We are most certainly omnivores, because we can and do obtain nutrients from meat. Your point about it not being the perfect diet for health is irrelevant to the question of whether we are omnivores or not. Evolution does not work on the basis of what is best for long term health, all it selects for is ability to pass on genes to offspring. What happens after reproduction age therefore largely irrelevant.

You mentioned chimpanzees only eating meat when circumstances force them too. Now lets just forget about the fact that chimpanzees love ants and grubs etc, even if what you say is true that they only eat meat when required, this would mean there would be selection pressure on the animals to be able to obtain nutrients from meat, as those that could not would be more likely to starve when resources were limited. To a herbivore however, like a cow, it would simply not occur to the animal to eat meat. We are not herbivores, we are omnivores.

Now when it comes to very early hominids, yes there is some evidence that their primary diet consisted of fruit and nuts, and it is very much debated how much if any meat they they ate. Very early hominids however had much larger teeth compared to us, adapting them to a more plant based diet.
Your comparison of human teeth to carnivore's is just silly, no one is saying humans are carnivores. Big carnivores need big teeth if they are to use them to kill large mammals. However, there are many small mammals that we would be able to eat with our teeth, just indeed like chimps do. The difference though between us and chimps is our use of tools. There is evidence 2 million years ago that hominids were butchering and eating animals. We have small teeth, and a relatively short intestine. We are evolved to be omnivores.


(a) 1.5 million-year-old fossil antelope lower leg bone (metapodial)
from Koobi Fora, Kenya, bearing cut marks; (b) close-up of these
cutmarks.

Quote:As shown in previous studies vegetarians and especially vegans are at risk for iron deficiency. Our study evaluated the iron status of German female vegans. Methods: In this cross-sectional study, the dietary intakes of 75 vegan women were assessed by two 9-day food frequency questionnaires ... In all, 40% ... of the [young women] and 12% ... of the [old women] were considered iron-deficient ...

— — Dietary Iron Intake and Iron Status of German Female Vegans

(February 11, 2014 at 7:23 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote: I'm also not a big fan of PETA because they are too militant and it seems they actually encourage people to eat meat with their aggressive behavior.

I find their campaigns quite humorous, and certainly not aggressive!