(February 19, 2014 at 12:03 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: The above pic, courtesy of enrico, depicts some islamic festival where the community, after eating mostly vegetarian food all year get to slaughter an animal (purchased specifically for the purpose) and carry on like a bunch of excited chimpanzees in the name of their deity?

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Welcome to the mad house Shep

I think the difference between anecdote and general practice is an important one. We've seen some horrible images and video, but it doesn't mean much if it's just some psycho abusing animals. For example, the video I showed included some dude punching a calf cruelly: I really can't see that any normal person is going to do that. On the other hand, I've also seen pictures of scientists in lab coats in special facilities, humanely killing an animal with a very carefully (i.e. taking their time) aimed bolt gun to the brain. I think the reality is that in an industrial setting, you're likely to get people who try to get a clean shot, but fail-- or some people that really just don't care.

(February 19, 2014 at 12:29 am)bennyboy Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 12:03 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: The above pic, courtesy of enrico, depicts some islamic festival where the community, after eating mostly vegetarian food all year get to slaughter an animal (purchased specifically for the purpose) and carry on like a bunch of excited chimpanzees in the name of their deity?

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Welcome to the mad house Shep

I think the difference between anecdote and general practice is an important one. We've seen some horrible images and video, but it doesn't mean much if it's just some psycho abusing animals. For example, the video I showed included some dude punching a calf cruelly: I really can't see that any normal person is going to do that. On the other hand, I've also seen pictures of scientists in lab coats in special facilities, humanely killing an animal with a very carefully (i.e. taking their time) aimed bolt gun to the brain. I think the reality is that in an industrial setting, you're likely to get people who try to get a clean shot, but fail-- or some people that really just don't care.

Generally speaking of course... agreed.
There are good people (insert practice here) and there are those who just make a complete shamozzle of it.

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Not unlike religion

(February 18, 2014 at 12:21 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:

Quote: These days too many doctors tell us that meat is good for us.
As we can see this is not the case so what the today science tell us is 100% wrong.

My God.

He's... He's right guys! He can see something (he says) science says is wrong is wrong! So it stand to reason, SCIENCE IS 100% WRONG! Oh hell we're all fucked now! My car won't work! My oven runs on electric so that's borked too! And of course this phone won't work!
IT'S THE END! THE END I TELL YOU! ANIC:

My God.
I refer to the science that tell us that meat is good for us and you understand i say all type of science.
Oh my God i just PANIC.

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(February 18, 2014 at 11:14 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: There have been no scientific, peer -reviewed studies that conclude that eating meat is as bad for us on the scale that you are suggesting. If there was, we wouldn't be eating meat.

This is an absolute pearl of stupidity.
People were eating meat well before anyone make any judgement about it.
People eat meat whether they are told is good or bad for them in the same way as a junkie use drugs regardless what the experts say.
Unfortunately most people listen to their arse well before they listen to their brains.

(February 19, 2014 at 8:41 am)enrico Wrote:

(February 18, 2014 at 12:21 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: My God.

He's... He's right guys! He can see something (he says) science says is wrong is wrong! So it stand to reason, SCIENCE IS 100% WRONG! Oh hell we're all fucked now! My car won't work! My oven runs on electric so that's borked too! And of course this phone won't work!
IT'S THE END! THE END I TELL YOU! ANIC:

My God.
I refer to the science that tell us that meat is good for us and you understand i say all type of science.
Oh my God i just PANIC.

Oh phew! Thank goodness. There I thought when you said

Quote: what the today science tell us is 100% wrong.

You meant that what science tells us is 100% wrong. Must have misunderstood.

OK, since you referred to the science which says eating meat is good, could you perhaps supply a reference? I've never seen a study which said eating meat was good, or indeed one which says it's not.

Show me the science enrico, and we can try to figure out why it's results differ from your observations. Perhaps there was a flaw in the study design.

(February 19, 2014 at 9:06 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: OK, since you referred to the science which says eating meat is good, could you perhaps supply a reference? I've never seen a study which said eating meat was good, or indeed one which says it's not. Show me the science enrico, and we can try to figure out why it's results differ from your observations. Perhaps there was a flaw in the study design.

It is true that not all science say that meat is good but i clearly refer to the science that say that meat is good.
All you have to do is to click.......meat is good.....or meat is bad in your search engine in order to find a myriad of references to these studies.
As i said several times i judge from what i see with my own eyes first of all and this is the far best way of knowing things.
In the last 24 years that i worked in medical facilities i always seen people eating meat twice a day or even three times a day if they have the typical British breakfast.
Now these people suppose to get better not worse so why the doctors that are in charge don't do something about?
If the doctors knew that meat is making people worse off then they would do something about it but they don't so what message i get from all this other then understand that the doctors are deadly wrong. hock:



http://www.opposingviews.com/arguments/f...od-for-you

Darned search engine must be playing up. I typed in "meat is good" but just got a bunch of commentary and opinion. No studies.

If you just reference the actual study you referred to which says "eating meat is good" we can look at it together.

(February 19, 2014 at 8:41 am)enrico Wrote: This is an absolute pearl of stupidity.
People were eating meat well before anyone make any judgement about it.
People eat meat whether they are told is good or bad for them in the same way as a junkie use drugs regardless what the experts say.
Unfortunately most people listen to their arse well before they listen to their brains.

There have been plenty of articles on the dangers of smoking. And guess what, a lot less people smoke today than they did before the information came out. There are also articles on the effects of drinking too much alcohol, therefore I don't drink more than a few units each week. If meat is as bad as you say it is, for the human body, there would be scientific peer-reviewed articles and experiments about the dangers of eating meat. There are none. You are wrong.
And yet again you are comparing eating meat with taking drugs. The comparison is so off whack here it is very obvious you don't know a thing about brain chemistry. We know exactly why drug addicts are drug addicts. Do some research on the pleasure pathway in the brain and dopamine receptors. The effect of drugs and the effect of meat on the brain are completely different. Look it up.

(February 19, 2014 at 11:00 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Darned search engine must be playing up. I typed in "meat is good" but just got a bunch of commentary and opinion. No studies.

If you just reference the actual study you referred to which says "eating meat is good" we can look at it together.

Ok. then do something else.
1) Go in any hospital, nursing home, rehab center or any other center in which
there are sick people (prisons as well) during the meal time.
2) Now when you are there open your eyes well and see what is inside their plates.
3) Take a note book with you and write down what you see.
4) Then look for the doctor in charge for that unit and ask......doc i see meat in all the plates can you please tell me why all these people eat meat?
5) Hear what the doc say and then come back to me so we can look at it together.

I think moderation and careful consideration on what you are putting into your body is important.

Both an omnivorous diet and a vegetarian diet are extremely beneficial ONLY if done correctly.

(February 19, 2014 at 9:59 am)enrico Wrote: It is true that not all science say that meat is good but i clearly refer to the science that say that meat is good.
All you have to do is to click.......meat is good.....or meat is bad in your search engine in order to find a myriad of references to these studies.

The link you posted is not a study. Its not at all scientific. It is not in a journal.

(February 19, 2014 at 9:59 am)enrico Wrote: As i said several times i judge from what i see with my own eyes first of all and this is the far best way of knowing things.

No, your eyes are the best way to see what is in front of you. Your eyes don't tell you what is actually there. Your eyes don't take into account extraneous variables.

(February 19, 2014 at 9:59 am)enrico Wrote: In the last 24 years that i worked in medical facilities i always seen people eating meat twice a day or even three times a day if they have the typical British breakfast.
Now these people suppose to get better not worse so why the doctors that are in charge don't do something about?

Because fancy the fuck out of this! The meat isn't making them ill. Their illness is making them ill. That's why they are there in the first place.

(February 19, 2014 at 9:59 am)enrico Wrote: If the doctors knew that meat is making people worse off then they would do something about it but they don't so what message i get from all this other then understand that the doctors are deadly wrong. hock:

ONE PEER REVIEWED STUDY. ONE! JUST ONE.
That's all I want. Provide evidence for your claims. Prove it.
And such arrogance yet again. All the doctors in the world (who have trained for years and years in medical school) are wrong, and only you are right, with no fucking evidence.

(February 19, 2014 at 9:59 am)enrico Wrote: http://www.opposingviews.com/arguments/f...od-for-you

This is not a scientific, peer-reviewed study.

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(February 19, 2014 at 11:15 am)enrico Wrote: Ok. then do something else.
1) Go in any hospital, nursing home, rehab center or any other center in which
there are sick people (prisons as well) during the meal time.
2) Now when you are there open your eyes well and see what is inside their plates.
3) Take a note book with you and write down what you see.
4) Then look for the doctor in charge for that unit and ask......doc i see meat in all the plates can you please tell me why all these people eat meat?
5) Hear what the doc say and then come back to me so we can look at it together.

My god, you are so fucking stupid. Enrico, look up the definition of an extraneous variable.
Have you ever considered that people in the hospital are sick because of their illness. And that some people in hospital don't get better because of their illness. And that some people die in hospital because of their illness.
And of course their are sick people in nursing homes. That's where you put sick people who aren't going to get any better.
Your proposition that eating meat is causing them to be ill is completely unfounded. I could say that all sick people use antiperspirant, therefore the antiperspirant is causing them to be sick and is therefore bad for you. That statement right there is on equal footing with yours. All I have done is replace meat with something else that almost everyone uses.