(March 13, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Alex K Wrote: Why should anyone bother to debunk captain obvious?

the point of what he wrote is that people live in troubled societies and he tried to help them you cannot see this

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(March 13, 2014 at 6:15 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Alex K Wrote: Why should anyone bother to debunk captain obvious?

the point of what he wrote is that people live in troubled societies and he tried to help them you cannot see this

heres a quote of his that i likeLeftists tend to hate anything that has an image
of being strong, good and successful. They hate America,
they hateWestern civilization, they hate white males, they
hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating
the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real
motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike,
imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but
where these same faults appear in socialist countries or
in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them,
or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas
he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly
exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western
civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the
leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He
hates America and the West because they are strong and
successful.
16. Words like “self-confidence”, “self-reliance”, “initiative”,
“enterprise”, “optimism”, etc., play little role
in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is antiindividualistic,
pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve
every one’s problems for them, satisfy everyone’s needs
for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person
who has an inner sense of confidence in his ability to solve
his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is
antagohistic to the concept of competition because, deep
inside, he feels like a loser

To me the quote says that he's a bigoted idiot.

But anyhow, listen, I find your fixation on this guy as some kind of messiah figure, in combination with your lack of coherence, worrysome. I think you should seek counsel.

(March 13, 2014 at 6:40 pm)Alex K Wrote: To me the quote says that he's a bigoted idiot.

But anyhow, listen, I find your fixation on this guy as some kind of messiah figure, in combination with your lack of coherence, worrysome. I think you should seek counsel.

i understand your worry i have no intention of doing anything [out of the ordinary i just think that he way a smart guy who was doing good things. thanks for your concern though

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(March 13, 2014 at 6:40 pm)Alex K Wrote: To me the quote says that he's a bigoted idiot.

But anyhow, listen, I find your fixation on this guy as some kind of messiah figure, in combination with your lack of coherence, worrysome. I think you should seek counsel.

im really bad with grammar and other things your right about coherence i gotta work on that hes no messiah but i feel the book is important

Allright then. But I haven't read the whole of it, so cant say anything about the text as a whole

Now I'm confused. I thought the main theme of the unabomber's work was that society should "get back to nature" or some such. You previously said he targeted CEOs as his victims. Neither of those philosophies are consistent with the ideology of the quote you just posted.

(March 13, 2014 at 6:47 pm)Alex K Wrote: Allright then. But I haven't read the whole of it

Here is an illustration of the way in which the oversocialized
leftist shows his real attachment to the conventional
attitudes of our society while pretending to be in
rebellion aginst it. Many leftists push for affirmative action,
for moving black people into high-prestige jobs, for
improved education in black schools and more money for
such schools; the way of life of the black “underclass” they
regard as a social disgrace. They want to integrate the
black man into the system, make him a business executive,
a lawyer, a scientist just like upper-middle-class white
people. The leftists will reply that the last thing they want
is to make the black man into a copy of the white man; instead,
they want to preserve African American culture. But
in what does this preservation of African American culture
consist? It can hardly consist in anything more than eating
black-style food, listening to black-style music, wearing
black-style clothing and going to a black-style church
or mosque. In other words, it can express itself only in superficial
matters. In all ESSENTIAL respects most leftists
of the oversocialized type want to make the black man
conform to white, middle-class ideals. They want to make
him study technical subjects, become an executive or a
scientist, spend his life climbing the status ladder to prove
that black people are as good as white. They want to make
black fathers “responsible,” they want black gangs to become
nonviolent, etc. But these are exactly the values of
the industrial- technological system. The system couldn’t
care less what kind of music a man listens to, what kind
of clothes he wears or what religion he believes in as long
as he studies in school, holds a respectable job, climbs the
status ladder, is a “responsible” parent, is nonviolent and
so forth. In effect, however much he may deny it, the oversocialized
leftist wants to integrate the black man into the
system and make him adopt its values. also he not a bigot

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(March 13, 2014 at 6:48 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Now I'm confused. I thought the main theme of the unabomber's work was that society should "get back to nature" or some such. You previously said he targeted CEOs as his victims. Neither of those philosophies are consistent with the ideology of the quote you just posted.

i was but thats really utopianist

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(March 13, 2014 at 6:48 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Now I'm confused. I thought the main theme of the unabomber's work was that society should "get back to nature" or some such. You previously said he targeted CEOs as his victims. Neither of those philosophies are consistent with the ideology of the quote you just posted.

i agree with the parts on nature but there are many other social problems he adresses that clearly need fixing

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(March 13, 2014 at 6:48 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Now I'm confused. I thought the main theme of the unabomber's work was that society should "get back to nature" or some such. You previously said he targeted CEOs as his victims. Neither of those philosophies are consistent with the ideology of the quote you just posted.

he also killed computer programmers because he felt that machines would eventually begin thinking for themselves and kill off the human race

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(March 13, 2014 at 6:48 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Now I'm confused. I thought the main theme of the unabomber's work was that society should "get back to nature" or some such. You previously said he targeted CEOs as his victims. Neither of those philosophies are consistent with the ideology of the quote you just posted.

the qoute isnt supposed to be consisent with anything its just one that i liked i would have picked any one

(March 13, 2014 at 6:48 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote: he also killed computer programmers because he felt that machines would eventually begin thinking for themselves and kill off the human race

Well, that's just paranoid thinking, because in reality, machines are only capable of performing the functions they are programmed to do; they cannot "think" for themselves.

As for your above quote, I don't see why it is wrong for the left to want African-Americans to have the same opportunities as their Caucasian counterparts, and it is certainly not only the left that is holding African-Americans to the ideals of this so-called industrial-technological system - that is society as a whole, both the left and the right, because that is the ideology of our society.

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(March 13, 2014 at 6:48 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote: the qoute isnt supposed to be consisent with anything its just one that i liked i would have picked any one

Well, the point is, if the unabomber's ideology isn't consistent, then it just further supports the notion that he was insane and that you should not hold him as a role model.

(March 13, 2014 at 6:58 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 6:48 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote: he also killed computer programmers because he felt that machines would eventually begin thinking for themselves and kill off the human race

Well, that's just paranoid thinking, because in reality, machines are only capable of performing the functions they are programmed to do; they cannot "think" for themselves.

As for your above quote, I don't see why it is wrong for the left to want African-Americans to have the same opportunities as their Caucasian counterparts, and it is certainly not only the left that is holding African-Americans to the ideals of this so-called industrial-technological system - that is society as a whole, both the left and the right, because that is the ideology of our society.

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(March 13, 2014 at 6:48 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote: the qoute isnt supposed to be consisent with anything its just one that i liked i would have picked any one

Well, the point is, if the unabomber's ideology isn't consistent, then it just further supports the notion that he was insane and that you should not hold him as a role model.

the rightist wants to hold minorities back the leftist wishes to make minorities into white people. As he said most of the activists are heterosexual white males in my opinion gay and minority activists really hate the people they represent

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(March 13, 2014 at 6:58 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 6:48 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote: he also killed computer programmers because he felt that machines would eventually begin thinking for themselves and kill off the human race

Well, that's just paranoid thinking, because in reality, machines are only capable of performing the functions they are programmed to do; they cannot "think" for themselves.

As for your above quote, I don't see why it is wrong for the left to want African-Americans to have the same opportunities as their Caucasian counterparts, and it is certainly not only the left that is holding African-Americans to the ideals of this so-called industrial-technological system - that is society as a whole, both the left and the right, because that is the ideology of our society.

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(March 13, 2014 at 6:48 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote: the qoute isnt supposed to be consisent with anything its just one that i liked i would have picked any one

Well, the point is, if the unabomber's ideology isn't consistent, then it just further supports the notion that he was insane and that you should not hold him as a role model.

i dont hold him as a role model but most of what he said is true and happening

(March 13, 2014 at 7:02 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote: the rightist wants to hold minorities back the leftist wishes to make minorities into white people. As he said most of the activists are heterosexual white males in my opinion gay and minority activists really hate the people they represent

Fuck. I can't even decipher this word jumble to figure out what you meant to say.

(March 13, 2014 at 7:06 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 7:02 pm)jimmyk2190 Wrote: the rightist wants to hold minorities back the leftist wishes to make minorities into white people. As he said most of the activists are heterosexual white males in my opinion gay and minority activists really hate the people they represent

Fuck. I can't even decipher this word jumble to figure out what you meant to say.

nvm you are right when it seems that i hold him to be a role model simply by the way i talk about him. but can we agree when a man of such intelligence write a book it would do the public some good to read it. Thats my point