(March 19, 2014 at 4:56 pm)truthBtold Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 4:53 pm)ronedee Wrote: Welcome my friend! You are doing God's work!

Tell god to do his own fucking work.. lazy ass deity!!!

Ok! Anything else you'd like me to tell Him for you?

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(March 19, 2014 at 4:57 pm)truthBtold Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 4:57 pm)ronedee Wrote: God is known by many names! And, I'm sure He has a sense of humor too!

Assclown is one

And I'm sure He is laughing at you right now! Although, He'll probably laugh harder when you are peeing on the floor in front of Him.

(March 19, 2014 at 4:58 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 4:56 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Tell god to do his own fucking work.. lazy ass deity!!!

Ok! Anything else you'd like me to tell Him for you?

Hi ?

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(March 19, 2014 at 4:58 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 4:56 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Tell god to do his own fucking work.. lazy ass deity!!!

Ok! Anything else you'd like me to tell Him for you?

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(March 19, 2014 at 4:57 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Assclown is one

And I'm sure He is laughing at you right now! Although, He'll probably laugh harder when you are peeing on the floor in front of Him.

So now ur god likes golden showers ..hmmm..

(March 17, 2014 at 7:09 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(March 17, 2014 at 6:59 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

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So being beaten to bloody pulp in from a mocking crowd, having your brow impaled by thorns, hanging suspended in the air as your flesh shreds till you suffocate...

Jesus could have lived a life of ease making chairs in a one horse town. Instead he loved you enough to put himself through all that agony.

And you have the gall to say He didn't make a sacrifice because He resurrected.

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If it happened, it didn't mean squat. It's still sending yourself down to sacrifice yourself to yourself to save people from something you made because of a curse you put on them for petty reasons.

You did not learn the basics when you attended church did you. Christ was not sacrificed to God, He was sacrificed for man to cover the sin of those who believe in Him. God did not create sin, that accomplishment goes to Lucifer and Adam. The curse was for disobeying the God who gave them life, He loved them even before He created them. Sin is grievous not petty. Of coarse you can't understand this because you have no respect for the God who gave you life because He loved you.

Quote:No innocent should ever pay for the crimes of the guilty. No one should be found guilty without fair trial.

No one is innocent, all have sinned and fallen short of the will of God. God will try all who do not accept what Christ did for mankind, so don't worry you will get a trial if you do not change your belief, so stop complaining. God will open the books and address every sin one commits before He passes judgement.

Quote:No guilty person should ever be punished beyond their crime. This is what justice is. It is not condemning someone for something someone else did, without trial, and punished with an eternity of suffering. Which is what mainstream christians believe.

No one will be punished beyond their crimes. One who sins against God sins against an Eternal Being and without forgiveness of the sins they continue for all eternity. An eternal punishment is exactly what's called for when committing sin that unforgiven last an eternity. This is what justice is about when one faces the eternal God who gave you your life. Mainstream Christianity believe this because the Bible teaches this.

Quote:What he did was immoral, and served no purpose other than to entertain him. He lost nothing substantial that I can tell.

You can't see because you have decided that living life your way is the only way. Christ did nothing immoral and what He did served a purpose for me, and I gladly accept the love He offered by doing what He came to accomplish.

GC

So after reading GC's rant, I'm more certain than ever: Christians are fucking insane, childish, or both.

Case in point:

Quote:Christ was not sacrificed to God, He was sacrificed for man to cover the sin of those who believe in Him. God did not create sin, that accomplishment goes to Lucifer and Adam. The curse was for disobeying the God who gave them life

People, nothing magical happens when a person loses blood. It does not eliminate or transfer evil forces within your body. Christ, it's 2014, time to grow out of these dangerous superstitions.

(March 20, 2014 at 1:54 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: So after reading GC's rant, I'm more certain than ever: Christians are fucking insane, childish, or both.

Case in point:

Quote:Christ was not sacrificed to God, He was sacrificed for man to cover the sin of those who believe in Him. God did not create sin, that accomplishment goes to Lucifer and Adam. The curse was for disobeying the God who gave them life

People, nothing magical happens when a person loses blood. It does not eliminate or transfer evil forces within your body. Christ, it's 2014, time to grow out of these dangerous superstitions.

There was no rant, it's your deep hatred for Christians that causes you to see us in the light you portray. Those such as you who live so deep in darkness can't understand the greater things of God.

GC

Quote:You did not learn the basics when you attended church did you. Christ was not sacrificed to God, He was sacrificed for man to cover the sin of those who believe in Him. God did not create sin, that accomplishment goes to Lucifer and Adam. The curse was for disobeying the God who gave them life, He loved them even before He created them. Sin is grievous not petty. Of coarse you can't understand this because you have no respect for the God who gave you life because He loved you.

This short sentence contains so many problems its hard to even list them:

Christ was sacrificed FOR man TO whom?

A sacrifice is an offering to something, the "for" doesn't change it.

God did not create sin it was Lucifer and Adam.

Hang on. I could see that Lucifer created sin but Adam?

If Lucifer was in the Garden tempting Adam then he had already rebelled against God. Was that not a sin? If it was then sin already existed and you can't blame Adam for inventing it.

Did God not know that sin would exist? Did God not create Lucifer? If God created Lucifer (and Adam come to that) then he at least created sin by proxy - but he knew he was doing that, didn't he?

Now the sin was for disobeying God which just confirms God's master/slave relationship he wants with us - that's love?

The sin in question was to eat from the forbidden fruit. God put the tree of knowledge in the garden to give us freewill. Freewill to do what? To sin? Then God knew of sin and created the opportunity for it.

Doesn't there seem to be some kind of disconnect for you? God gives you freewill but punishes you for exercising it - and that makes sense to you?

God loved us before he created us? Was this knowing that we would sin? Was it a surprise for him? If he knew we would sin - what's the freewill argument all about? Why bother with the garden at all? He knew the choice we would make, didn't he? He knew Lucifer would tempt us and that we would succumb, didn't he?

You know none of this makes a whit of sense, don't you GC?

(March 20, 2014 at 2:03 am)Godschild Wrote:

(March 20, 2014 at 1:54 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: So after reading GC's rant, I'm more certain than ever: Christians are fucking insane, childish, or both.

Case in point:

People, nothing magical happens when a person loses blood. It does not eliminate or transfer evil forces within your body. Christ, it's 2014, time to grow out of these dangerous superstitions.

There was no rant, it's your deep hatred for Christians that causes you to see us in the light you portray. Those such as you who live so deep in darkness can't understand the greater things of God.

GC

I used to be deluded by Christian idiocy too, just like yourself, but I learned how to be introspective... so I know what it's like to do away with childish things. Why do you hate your mind so much? It's your greatest tool... try using it once. Just once. It's okay, really.

(March 15, 2014 at 5:14 pm)Lek Wrote:

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(March 15, 2014 at 4:42 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: Hey,
After joining this form nearly a year ago I have read many comments and viewpoints of Christianity and the belief in God. Unfortunately these arguments from both sides are rather weak.

Question 1)

Mine won’t be any better but it does put a new perspective on things.
1) We are told Jesus IS God
2) Jesus Died on the Cross for Our Sins
3) Jesus too our Punishment
So the questions I have to raise here are.
1) Why is Jesus not eternally in hell
2) If Jesus took our sins upon the cross the is it not true that he is being killed fairly as he was a Sinner?
3) What makes God not a Sinner if he took our sins?
4) What makes Jesus not a Sinner if he took our sins?

Understand your bible said Jesus became sin and the punishment of sin is death and many say that Jesus led a blameless life and then died on the cross. So did he take our sins ‘After’ Death because if it was ‘Before’ death then his death is ultimately justified under OT Law.

Further what part of Jesus dying and rising in 3 days then going to heaven shows me that he took my sins. All that shows is that even Jesus was a wimp in a Hell that ‘He?’ or his Father created and couldent stand it more than 3 days.

Understand if someone gives their life for me – They don’t come back to life? If someone goes to prison for me they go to prison for my punishment they don’t leave early? If my punishment is eternal then surely Jesus should be in an eternal hell unless punishment is circa 3 days.



Question 2)
Satan – Also known as the Acuser / Belzebub / Morning Star etc…
We are told that God and Satan are not Co-Equal.

Jesus said we are to come to God like Children? Well what Father leaves his child alone to be tormented to be lied to and tricked by a ‘Stranger’.
Satan gets a bad rep however when we look at what Jesus and God expect from its its wholy unfair. We are to be Grateful to a God who Died for Us on the cross.

Yet for the last 2,000 years he has been physically silent on this earth letting satan ‘the Stranger’ cloud our minds and judgements about God and right and wrong!

This would mean that All Athiests on this forum are not accountable to God as what father would let a bad man take his kids off him.

Now don’t get me started on the bull shit about even if God did as we asked we would not believe in him – That is a complete and utter lie. If I asked God to physically fight me like he did with Jacob I think I would believe in his existence.

If God loves us then why let satan fuck with us?

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Why Jesus isn't still in hell suffering for eternity is because he paid the full price on the cross. We don't know fully what he went through or technically how he paid the price. He lets Satan f... with us because he wants us to use him to fight back. If we are in him then Satan can't harm us. If we stay in him we'll be saved. The troubles in the world are a consequence of our sins not his hate for us.

I wonder why so many people who are neither Jews nor Arabs believe in ethnocentric Jewish and Arabian religious fairy tales? My theory is that such people are basically zombies who are incapable of critical thoughts when it comes to religious matters. It's too bad those ethnocentric religious fairy tales didn't include useful information. Instead they went overboard on supernatural mumbo-jumbo, like "sins, Satan, demons, 90 foot tall virgins, talking snakes, eternal hell-fire, angels, nutty deities."

(March 20, 2014 at 2:03 am)Godschild Wrote:

(March 20, 2014 at 1:54 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: So after reading GC's rant, I'm more certain than ever: Christians are fucking insane, childish, or both.

Case in point:

People, nothing magical happens when a person loses blood. It does not eliminate or transfer evil forces within your body. Christ, it's 2014, time to grow out of these dangerous superstitions.

There was no rant, it's your deep hatred for Christians that causes you to see us in the light you portray. Those such as you who live so deep in darkness can't understand the greater things of God.

GC

Why do you fucktards keep insisting that we hate you?

My parents and my brother are Christians. I don't hate them in any stretch of the word.