Why oh Why

[Fidel_Castronaut]

There was no rant, it's your deep hatred for Christians that causes you to see us in the light you portray. Those such as you who live so deep in darkness can't understand the greater things of God.

GC

Isn't that your fault? I mean, isn't it your prerogative to convert and 'enlighten' people?

And as others have said. I don't think anyone here hates you, GC. I think you're probably an alright kind of guy when you're not talking about how much hell we're going feel.

I think you need to stop taking things personally on this. We're critiquing (or ridiculing, whatever) your beliefs and opinions, not you personally.

[Chad32]

So after reading GC's rant, I'm more certain than ever: Christians are fucking insane, childish, or both.

Case in point:

Christ was not sacrificed to God, He was sacrificed for man to cover the sin of those who believe in Him. God did not create sin, that accomplishment goes to Lucifer and Adam. The curse was for disobeying the God who gave them life

People, nothing magical happens when a person loses blood. It does not eliminate or transfer evil forces within your body. Christ, it's 2014, time to grow out of these dangerous superstitions.

That's what I'm thinking. We just have vastly different views on what is right and what is wrong. Some things can be reconciled, and some things can't. It usually depends on how much christians are willing to ignore in their holy book.

I don't even know what to say about your post, GC, because we're obviously not on the same wavelength here. I'm not sure we can be.

[Chas]

Tell god to do his own fucking work.. lazy ass deity!!!

Ok! Anything else you'd like me to tell Him for you?

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Assclown is one

And I'm sure He is laughing at you right now! Although, He'll probably laugh harder when you are peeing on the floor in front of Him.

You just make this shit up, don't you?

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So after reading GC's rant, I'm more certain than ever: Christians are fucking insane, childish, or both.

Case in point:

People, nothing magical happens when a person loses blood. It does not eliminate or transfer evil forces within your body. Christ, it's 2014, time to grow out of these dangerous superstitions.

There was no rant, it's your deep hatred for Christians that causes you to see us in the light you portray. Those such as you who live so deep in darkness can't understand the greater things of God.

GC

It was not rational, whatever it was. Time to grow up and face reality, GodsShill.

[Rampant.A.I.]

If it happened, it didn't mean squat. It's still sending yourself down to sacrifice yourself to yourself to save people from something you made because of a curse you put on them for petty reasons.

You did not learn the basics when you attended church did you. Christ was not sacrificed to God, He was sacrificed for man to cover the sin of those who believe in Him. God did not create sin, that accomplishment goes to Lucifer and Adam. The curse was for disobeying the God who gave them life, He loved them even before He created them. Sin is grievous not petty. Of coarse you can't understand this because you have no respect for the God who gave you life because He loved you.

So Christ was sacrificed to the devil?

What you're saying is (what's that called again?) Oh, right:

God made a sacrifice to Satan, and and is in effect a satanic devil worshipper. Gotcha, makes a lot more sense now.

[Esquilax]

Isn't that your fault? I mean, isn't it your prerogative to convert and 'enlighten' people?

And as others have said. I don't think anyone here hates you, GC. I think you're probably an alright kind of guy when you're not talking about how much hell we're going feel.

I think you need to stop taking things personally on this. We're critiquing (or ridiculing, whatever) your beliefs and opinions, not you personally.

You gotta understand, this is just GC desperately striking out at the messenger because he's incapable of rebutting the message. "Well, you're just biased!" is the catch-cry of those who just want to shut down any potential dialogue.

[Godscreated]

There was no rant, it's your deep hatred for Christians that causes you to see us in the light you portray. Those such as you who live so deep in darkness can't understand the greater things of God.

GC

Why do you fucktards keep insisting that we hate you?

I was speaking of one certain person, but I'll include you also, now we're up to two.

GC

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You did not learn the basics when you attended church did you. Christ was not sacrificed to God, He was sacrificed for man to cover the sin of those who believe in Him. God did not create sin, that accomplishment goes to Lucifer and Adam. The curse was for disobeying the God who gave them life, He loved them even before He created them. Sin is grievous not petty. Of coarse you can't understand this because you have no respect for the God who gave you life because He loved you.

So Christ was sacrificed to the devil?

What you're saying is (what's that called again?) Oh, right:

God made a sacrifice to Satan, and and is in effect a satanic devil worshipper. Gotcha, makes a lot more sense now.

The more post I read of your's the dumber I see you to be.

GC

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There was no rant, it's your deep hatred for Christians that causes you to see us in the light you portray. Those such as you who live so deep in darkness can't understand the greater things of God.

GC

It was not rational, whatever it was. Time to grow up and face reality, GodsShill.

You're the one who is calling out names like a small child and you suggest I grow up.

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There was no rant, it's your deep hatred for Christians that causes you to see us in the light you portray. Those such as you who live so deep in darkness can't understand the greater things of God.

GC

Isn't that your fault? I mean, isn't it your prerogative to convert and 'enlighten' people?

And as others have said. I don't think anyone here hates you, GC. I think you're probably an alright kind of guy when you're not talking about how much hell we're going feel.

I think you need to stop taking things personally on this. We're critiquing (or ridiculing, whatever) your beliefs and opinions, not you personally.

Wrong, I've been told more than once I was hated, actually have had a threat or two. I'm not complaining you see because if you knew scripture you would know why. The only time I bring up hell is to answer questions or remind people it's there.

GC

[Bob Kelso]

Surely you are not equating cutting off a hand and having it sewed back on to death and resurrection. That's like saying an ant is equal to humans.

GC

What part of "sacrificing an immortal being is not a sacrifice" don't you understand? That's like me sacrificing my character on Halo to save a team mate and then respawning.

So being beaten to bloody pulp in from a mocking crowd, having your brow impaled by thorns, hanging suspended in the air as your flesh shreds till you suffocate...

Jesus could have lived a life of ease making chairs in a one horse town. Instead he loved you enough to put himself through all that agony.

And you have the gaul to say He didn't make a sacrifice because He resurrected.

I, for one, do; seeing as he supposedly came back from the dead. Sorry, but if you get a Newgame+ I don't consider that to be sacrificial, I consider it a bad week.

If it happened, it didn't mean squat. It's still sending yourself down to sacrifice yourself to yourself to save people from something you made because of a curse you put on them for petty reasons.

You did not learn the basics when you attended church did you. Christ was not sacrificed to God, He was sacrificed for man to cover the sin of those who believe in Him. God did not create sin, that accomplishment goes to Lucifer and Adam. The curse was for disobeying the God who gave them life, He loved them even before He created them. Sin is grievous not petty. Of coarse you can't understand this because you have no respect for the God who gave you life because He loved you.

*bolded by me*

It seems that you are not as well versed in scripture as you claim to be GC, since Christ was sacrificed for the sins of all mankind like the Jewish scapegoat was for the sins of the Jew then he was sacrificed to god. If God created free will then he created the possibility for sin, same damn thing. Your god is omniscient right? Eating a fruit from a forbidden tree that god placed there knowing ahead of time that they would eat from it no matter his warning is called a fucking set-up, so I agree that it isn't petty, it's underhanded. Course*.

No innocent should ever pay for the crimes of the guilty. No one should be found guilty without fair trial.

No one is innocent, all have sinned and fallen short of the will of God. God will try all who do not accept what Christ did for mankind, so don't worry you will get a trial if you do not change your belief, so stop complaining. God will open the books and address every sin one commits before He passes judgement.

Children are innocent. Will he try those who never heard about "the good news" or those that were indoctrinated by other religions from a small age?

No guilty person should ever be punished beyond their crime. This is what justice is. It is not condemning someone for something someone else did, without trial, and punished with an eternity of suffering. Which is what mainstream christians believe.

No one will be punished beyond their crimes. One who sins against God sins against an Eternal Being and without forgiveness of the sins they continue for all eternity. An eternal punishment is exactly what's called for when committing sin that unforgiven last an eternity. This is what justice is about when one faces the eternal God who gave you your life. Mainstream Christianity believe this because the Bible teaches this.

You have a twisted sense of justice GC, finite sin does not call for infinite punishment.

What he did was immoral, and served no purpose other than to entertain him. He lost nothing substantial that I can tell.

You can't see because you have decided that living life your way is the only way. Christ did nothing immoral and what He did served a purpose for me, and I gladly accept the love He offered by doing what He came to accomplish.

GC

You only think that way because you have decided that living life your way is the only way.

See how that works both ways?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Isn't that your fault? I mean, isn't it your prerogative to convert and 'enlighten' people?

And as others have said. I don't think anyone here hates you, GC. I think you're probably an alright kind of guy when you're not talking about how much hell we're going feel.

I think you need to stop taking things personally on this. We're critiquing (or ridiculing, whatever) your beliefs and opinions, not you personally.

Wrong, I've been told more than once I was hated, actually have had a threat or two. I'm not complaining you see because if you knew scripture you would know why. The only time I bring up hell is to answer questions or remind people it's there.

GC

Well I can't comment on what others have or haven't said to you.

You're presuming a lot about me not knowing 'scripture'.

But regardless, re: hell. I won't believe it's there until there's something tangible to evidence that it's there. That goes for everything, hell, unicorns, a car in my garage. And I think proponents of extraordinary claims need to remember that when they start claiming it as a 'truth' based on their own beliefs and nothing more.

[Rahul]

Wrong, I've been told more than once I was hated, actually have had a threat or two. I'm not complaining you see because if you knew scripture you would know why. The only time I bring up hell is to answer questions or remind people it's there.

GC

[ThomM]

Hey,
After joining this form nearly a year ago I have read many comments and viewpoints of Christianity and the belief in God. Unfortunately these arguments from both sides are rather weak.

Question 1)

Mine won’t be any better but it does put a new perspective on things.
1) We are told Jesus IS God
2) Jesus Died on the Cross for Our Sins
3) Jesus too our Punishment
So the questions I have to raise here are.
1) Why is Jesus not eternally in hell
2) If Jesus took our sins upon the cross the is it not true that he is being killed fairly as he was a Sinner?
3) What makes God not a Sinner if he took our sins?
4) What makes Jesus not a Sinner if he took our sins?

Understand your bible said Jesus became sin and the punishment of sin is death and many say that Jesus led a blameless life and then died on the cross. So did he take our sins ‘After’ Death because if it was ‘Before’ death then his death is ultimately justified under OT Law.

Further what part of Jesus dying and rising in 3 days then going to heaven shows me that he took my sins. All that shows is that even Jesus was a wimp in a Hell that ‘He?’ or his Father created and couldent stand it more than 3 days.

Understand if someone gives their life for me – They don’t come back to life? If someone goes to prison for me they go to prison for my punishment they don’t leave early? If my punishment is eternal then surely Jesus should be in an eternal hell unless punishment is circa 3 days.



Question 2)
Satan – Also known as the Acuser / Belzebub / Morning Star etc…
We are told that God and Satan are not Co-Equal.

Jesus said we are to come to God like Children? Well what Father leaves his child alone to be tormented to be lied to and tricked by a ‘Stranger’.
Satan gets a bad rep however when we look at what Jesus and God expect from its its wholy unfair. We are to be Grateful to a God who Died for Us on the cross.

Yet for the last 2,000 years he has been physically silent on this earth letting satan ‘the Stranger’ cloud our minds and judgements about God and right and wrong!

This would mean that All Athiests on this forum are not accountable to God as what father would let a bad man take his kids off him.

Now don’t get me started on the bull shit about even if God did as we asked we would not believe in him – That is a complete and utter lie. If I asked God to physically fight me like he did with Jacob I think I would believe in his existence.

If God loves us then why let satan fuck with us?

Why Jesus isn't still in hell suffering for eternity is because he paid the full price on the cross. We don't know fully what he went through or technically how he paid the price. He lets Satan f... with us because he wants us to use him to fight back. If we are in him then Satan can't harm us. If we stay in him we'll be saved. The troubles in the world are a consequence of our sins not his hate for us.

A sin is defined as an offense against a god - by religion
IN a religion where a god murdered MILLIONS of people according to the gods "inspired" book - has a law against infidelity in his ten rules - but not against rape - and makes women SUBJECTS of men - what does the god do?