(March 29, 2014 at 8:54 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(March 29, 2014 at 8:52 am)tor Wrote: No I'm having fun.

Ahh Pathetic drama queen is it?

As you were...don't mind me if I ignore you

Yes mam!

Excellent choice of words as ussual.

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(March 28, 2014 at 6:21 pm)rasetsu Wrote:

(March 28, 2014 at 4:29 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: Why would the bird continue for millions of generations to improve a wing stub that is at their detriment? A bird with a useless wing is at a severe disadvantage. Natural selection shouldn't do that. Why would a bird evolve to fly?

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Claim CB921.2:
What use is half a wing? A leg evolving into a wing would be a bad leg long before it was a good wing.

Source:
Brown, Walt, 1995. In the beginning: Compelling evidence for creation and the Flood. Phoenix, AZ: Center for Scientific Creation, p. 7. http://www.creationscience.com/

Half a wing can have any of several uses:

• In insects, half a wing is useful for skimming rapidly across the surface of water (Marden and Kramer 1995; Kramer and Marden 1997; Thomas et al. 2000).
  
• In larger animals, half a wing is useful for gliding. Airfoils for gliding appear in several different forms in many different animals, including
  
  • skin between legs on flying squirrels (Petauristinae), scaly-tailed squirrels (Anomaluridae), flying phalangers, and flying lemurs
    
  • flattened body of the flying snake (Chrysopelea)
    
  • large webbed feet on gliding tree frogs (Rhacophorus and Polypedates)
    
  • fins on flying fish (Exocoetidae) and flying squid (Onychoteuthis)
    
  • expanded lateral membranes supported by elongated flexible ribs on gliding lizards (e.g., Draco)
    
  • expanded lateral membranes supported by elongated jointed ribs on the Kuehneosauridae from the late Triassic
    
  • lateral membrane supported by bones separate from the rest of the skeleton on Coelurosauravus jaekeli, an Upper Permian flying reptile (Frey et al. 1997)
    
  • even an ant (Cephalotes atratus), when it falls, uses its hind legs to direct its aerial descent back to its home tree's trunk (Yanoviak et al. 2005).
• In immature chickens, wing-flapping enhances hindlimb traction, allowing the chickens to ascend steeper inclines. This function could be an intermediate to the original flight of birds. (Dial 2003)
  
• In some flightless birds (e.g., penguins), wings are used for swimming.
  
• In some flightless birds, wings are probably used for startling potential predators.
  
• Black herons use their wings to shade the water in which they fish.
  
• Some owls use their wings to hold their prey against the ground.
  
• Nighthawks, woodcocks, riflebirds, and several species of manakins make noises with their wings as part of sexual displays.
  
• Partial wings may have other useful functions that nobody has thought of yet.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB921_2.html

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The answers to your questions are out there. Your continuing to ask these questions here with an air of incredulity is either because you don't like the answers for some reason and prefer willful ignorance, or you're too fucking lazy to educate yourself. Read a book, for Christ's sake.

Yes mam!

Evolution doesn't hide. You simply weren't there to witness the events unfold, and so, every clue and proof element you get (bones, artifacts, samples) is a gift! You are lucky to get that much because if our world had a lesser ability to preserve things, you would get nothing and would be in the dark.

Saying that evolution isn't plausible because it lacks proof of other ancestors between ancestors is idiotic because that proof may be vanished or not yet found. Countless dig sites were destroyed by industry and were never investigated.

(March 29, 2014 at 8:14 am)Bad Writer Wrote: What else do you stand corrected on? Well, God, for one, but that's a discussion for a different thread.

I may be losing the faith. I know that prayer has power, but there may be an explanation I hadn't thought of.

(March 29, 2014 at 11:02 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote:

(March 29, 2014 at 8:14 am)Bad Writer Wrote: What else do you stand corrected on? Well, God, for one, but that's a discussion for a different thread.

I may be losing the faith. I know that prayer has power, but there may be an explanation I hadn't thought of.

Take it from me, as an ex-Mormon to a struggling Catholic, prayer indeed has power, but it's all internal, and because of this fact its efficacy is random and therefore unreliable. I haven't prayed in nearly 8 years, and my lot in life is demonstrably unchanged, or even arguably better.

And don't forget. We heathens are here for you, and because we measure aid by action and not by prayer, the benefits add up pretty quickly.

(March 28, 2014 at 4:29 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: A lizard becomes a wingless bird began that evolves a wing why? Did the wing stub make the bird more adaptable to the environment. How did natural selection know in advance that the bird would need wings. the stubs would be useless for maybe over a million years.
Why would a bird evolve wing stubs that are useless?

I think it takes a special kind of blindness to be puzzled at how an incomplete wing would be useful in a world with dozens of species of animals with incomplete wings that allow them to glide various distances...including gliding lizards, gliding fish, and even gliding frogs and snakes. Even a little bit of a wing is better than none if you're doing a lot of leaping, especially in trees.

As for dinosaurs, they had fully-developed arms that gradually became more wing-like. No 'stubs'.

Now if we could just get TC to tell us which lizards became birds...

Well I actually have more questions. The books I've read on evolution don't get right down to answering questions and aren't always easy to understand. I also didn't ask the wing question until page 30 so I don't see why I'm accused of rewording the same questions.

I have more questions it's just an issue of whether or not I want this to turn into a hundred page thread

If you are honestly asking questions and not baiting, this thread will grow on it's own.

http://animallamina.wordpress.com/2010/1...-solution/