(April 19, 2014 at 5:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(April 19, 2014 at 9:31 am)enrico Wrote: Please rasu help or i will go mad.

Way too late.

They'll have to up his medication.

(April 18, 2014 at 9:28 am)enrico Wrote:

(April 17, 2014 at 12:03 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: So you are saying that you when you die your consciousness becomes a non-physical entity and separates from the body.
I call bullshit on this one.

Is good to have freedom of speech.
You call bullshit my believe and i call bullshit yours.
All happy in this way.

Not all beliefs are equally valid.

(April 19, 2014 at 11:07 am)Confused Ape Wrote: Brahma is a Hindu concept.

It is important to understand where the concepts come from.
Before a religion is born there is pure spirituality.
After some time the pure get polluted and spirituality turn into dogma
or false truth.
This is the stage where religion born.
But not everything get polluted.
Usually some theories stay but the practice slowly go.
The concept of Brahma came long long before Hinduism was born.
Lord Shiva came 7000 years ago while Hinduism much much later.

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(April 20, 2014 at 5:58 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(April 18, 2014 at 9:28 am)enrico Wrote: Is good to have freedom of speech.
You call bullshit my believe and i call bullshit yours.
All happy in this way.

Not all beliefs are equally valid.

Gee, that is a good guessing.
I consider you for a kudos.

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(April 19, 2014 at 11:10 am)whateverist Wrote: ......you need to understand that we don't think alike. For one thing I'm not stone cold crazy.

You guys ask me this and that but when i ask you something about philosophy, religion or other things you either can not answer or you
get information from wiki.
So it is not much a question of differ but a question of not knowing.
We all do not know something but at least a person should acknowledge
and humbly keep quite.

(April 20, 2014 at 7:02 am)enrico Wrote:

(April 19, 2014 at 11:10 am)whateverist Wrote: ......you need to understand that we don't think alike. For one thing I'm not stone cold crazy.

You guys ask me this and that but when i ask you something about philosophy, religion or other things you either can not answer or you
get information from wiki.
So it is not much a question of differ but a question of not knowing.
We all do not know something but at least a person should acknowledge
and humbly keep quite.

I think the word you were searching for was quiet. Not quite.

Quiet- making little or no noise.

Quite- to the utmost or most absolute extent or degree; absolutely; completely.

I'm aware English isn't your first language, or perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly, but this bugs the fuck out of me.

(April 19, 2014 at 12:01 pm)rasetsu Wrote: You don't know which is which here any more than I do. But you believe you do, based on nothing but your wishing for Sarkar to have been a good man. You don't know that he was not a bad man any more than I do. But you've got your ignorant opinions.....

Different people have different ideas.
Some people think that the most important thing is to win.
It doesn't really matter if you play rough.
Other people think that it is more important to play well.
It doesn't really matter whether you win or loose.
I followed Sarkar well before his departure and i know he always act well.
I have seen him many times, i was lucky to have a pc. (personal contact).
I was present when the security agents were constantly harassing
him and the organization as a whole so i think i know a bit better than you
what really happened during those years.

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(April 20, 2014 at 7:31 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote: I'm aware English isn't your first language, or perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly, but this bugs the fuck out of me.

I admire you for getting so excited for so little.
I will consider you for a kudos.

(April 20, 2014 at 7:37 am)enrico Wrote:

(April 20, 2014 at 7:31 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote: I'm aware English isn't your first language, or perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly, but this bugs the fuck out of me.

I admire you for getting so excited for so little.
I will consider you for a kudos.

Everyone has their quirks, your quirk appears to be batshit insanity.

(April 20, 2014 at 7:02 am)enrico Wrote: It is important to understand where the concepts come from.
Before a religion is born there is pure spirituality.
After some time the pure get polluted and spirituality turn into dogma
or false truth.
This is the stage where religion born.

How does anyone know that there's always pure spirituality before a religion is born? Many religions have mystical traditions but did the very first mystics just experience things and not try to come up with explanations for what was happening?

We have very little idea of what Prehistoric Religions were about because the people who followed them didn't leave any written records.

(April 20, 2014 at 7:02 am)enrico Wrote: The concept of Brahma came long long before Hinduism was born.
Lord Shiva came 7000 years ago while Hinduism much much later.

Hinduism Periodisation

Quote:The earliest prehistoric religion in India that may have left its traces in Hinduism comes from mesolithic.[113][note 42] and neolithic[114][note 43] times. Several tribal religions still exist, predating the dominance of Hinduism, though "[w]e must not assume that there are many similarities between prehistoric and contemporary tribal communities."[web 8]

As nobody living today was around 7,000 years ago I don't know how it's possible to prove that Brahma and Shiva came before Hinduism.

Anyway, back to mysticism. The following explains why the Dalai Lama is interested in neuroscience.

God On The Brain Transcript

Quote:NARRATOR: Michael (Baime) is a Buddhist, a faith that requires its followers to enter into the spiritual through meditation.

BAIME: As you relax more and more and let go of the boundary between oneself and everything else begins to dissolve, so there's more and more of a feeling of identity with the rest of the world and less and less separateness.

NARRATOR: Researcher Dr Andrew Newberg set up a brain imaging system that could for the very first time track exactly what happened inside Michael's brain as he meditated.

NARRATOR: .....The results revealed that as in other experiments the temporal lobes were certainly involved, but they showed something else. As Michael's meditation reached its peak an area of the brain called the parietal lobes had less and less blood flowing into them. They seemed almost to be shutting down. This was significant new information. The parietal lobes help give us our sense of time and place.

NEWBERG: This part of the brain typically takes all of our sensory information and uses that sensory information to create a sense of ourselves. When people meditate they frequently describe a loss of that sense of self and that's exactly what we did see in the meditation subjects was that they actually decreased the activity in this parietal or this orientation part of the brain.

NARRATOR: This strange sensation of a loss of self is central to religious feelings in all the world's faiths. Buddhists seek a feeling of oneness with the universe, Hindus strive for the soul and God to become one and the Catholics search for the Unio Mystica. Dr Newberg wondered if these very different religions might actually be describing the same thing. To test this theory he took scans of Franciscan nuns at prayer to see if there was any similarity between what was going on in their brains and those of Buddhists.

NEWBERG: Interestingly when we look at the Franciscan nuns we see a similar decrease in the orientation part of the brain as we saw with the Tibetan Buddhists.

The above is a very simplified account, of course, but it does show that something happens in brains when people have mystical experiences.

(April 19, 2014 at 11:33 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: [quote='enrico' pid='653604' dateline='1397917123']
There is a small big problem boy.
In the body you haven't got the chance to get out unless you kill yourself
or by natural ways like the body death or you reach the goal of life (enlightenment) so you are really stuck inside your body.

Quote:And that is why equivating a body and a car is wrong.

You get out the car when you reach your destination or when the car doesn't go anymore.
At the same time you get out your body when you complete
or fulfill your task in a particular life and death occur.
Thousand and thousand of times we got out our previous body to enter a new body from small form of lives to more conscious form of life.
As a driver in a car you can get out anytime of course.
At the same time when you go to sleep your I get disconnected from
your body so temporary disconnection has really nothing to do with
permanent disconnection (death).

(April 19, 2014 at 10:18 am)enrico Wrote: 1) It is all about the lost of parallelism about body-mind and the I.
2) It is natural that different things can not go hand in hand but you are free to believe that a rotten body can go along with a bright mind or a strong consciousness for long.

Quote:Yet again you fail to answer my questions.
Why must the 'I' have to get a new 'body-mind'?

You should try to understand the meaning of the word...PARALLELISM.
Suppose you travel in a train.
You may have noted that the wheel of the train travel on two
PARALLEL rails or tracks.
As far as the rails are parallel there is no problem but as soon as one
rail is not parallel with the other the train may derail.
At the same time when the body-mind and the I can not keep
parallel to each other bad sickness or death is likely to occur.
At this stage the I need a new body which run parallel to it.

Quote:and for that matter, please define 'I' and 'body-mind'

If you keep on asking the same question time and time again i will start charge you money boy.
Ok. this time i will do some charity.
The I is the real you.
The mind is a storage of color and information.
And the body is the thing that you use to eat, breath and picking the nose.

Quote:And how do you know all this?

As you go along the road of intuition you understand to distinguish
between the I and the mind.
Slowly slowly you realize that the mind is just like the hard drive of your computer.
Nothing else than a storage of information.

Quote:Am I to presume from your lack of an answer, that spirituality can't eliminate death? Or that you simply don't know how it can or even if it can?
Am I going to have to ask again? How can spirituality eliminate death? I want an actual explanation as to how it works. A single sentance won't surfice so aim for about a paragraph.

Anyone who born will have to die so it not only that you eliminate death but you also eliminate a new birth as death follow a new birth.
Human emancipation or salvation it is called the death of all death.
When you reach human emancipation you reach the goal of life and when you reach the goal you need not to run anymore.
Spirituality lead you to perfection and when you are perfect the karma law
stop the continuous reincarnation.
No more physical birth no more physical death.

(April 20, 2014 at 8:46 am)enrico Wrote:

Quote:And how do you know all this?

As you go along the road of intuition you understand to distinguish
between the I and the mind.
Slowly slowly you realize that the mind is just like the hard drive of your computer.
Nothing else than a storage of information.

That is not an answer. How exactly did you come to know this?

(April 20, 2014 at 8:46 am)enrico Wrote: Anyone who born will have to die so it not only that you eliminate death but you also eliminate a new birth as death follow a new birth.
Human emancipation or salvation it is called the death of all death.
When you reach human emancipation you reach the goal of life and when you reach the goal you need not to run anymore.
Spirituality lead you to perfection and when you are perfect the karma law
stop the continuous reincarnation.
No more physical birth no more physical death.

Yes, spirituality will eliminate death by eliminating birth. Great. But how?
How will spirituality eliminate birth?

(April 20, 2014 at 7:37 am)enrico Wrote:

(April 19, 2014 at 12:01 pm)rasetsu Wrote: You don't know which is which here any more than I do. But you believe you do, based on nothing but your wishing for Sarkar to have been a good man. You don't know that he was not a bad man any more than I do. But you've got your ignorant opinions.....

Different people have different ideas.
Some people think that the most important thing is to win.
It doesn't really matter if you play rough.
Other people think that it is more important to play well.
It doesn't really matter whether you win or loose.
I followed Sarkar well before his departure and i know he always act well.
I have seen him many times, i was lucky to have a pc. (personal contact).
I was present when the security agents were constantly harassing
him and the organization as a whole so i think i know a bit better than you
what really happened during those years.

You were no more privvy to what went on inside than I am. You "think" you know a lot of things which you don't actually know. I've shown that multiple times.