(April 25, 2014 at 6:04 pm)Heywood Wrote: If you told or otherwise demonstrated to Walmart a desire to not serve gay couples, I would expect Walmart to terminate your employment. Employment comes with the understanding that you will have to work under certain conditions. If you are unwilling to accept those conditions then find another job or start your own business.

Running a business comes with the understanding that you have to do so under certain conditions, as well. If you are unwilling to do that, then you should find a line of work where your prejudices don't come into play.

Quote:It is rather forcing the baker to take an action against his will for the benefit of someone else. We normally call this slavery not discrimination.

Nobody is forcing the baker to do anything. They can exercise their freedom to close their business.

(April 25, 2014 at 6:55 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(April 25, 2014 at 6:48 pm)Coffee Jesus Wrote: So it is discrimination if we don't let you discriminate?

The point has been made. Address it.

I disagree with your characterization that forcing a baker to make a wedding cake for a wedding that he does not recognize is discrimination against the baker. It is rather forcing the baker to take an action against his will for the benefit of someone else. We normally call this slavery not discrimination.

This is the point I made and you failed to address it.

That's because it is not a valid point. Slavery is unpaid indentured servitude where the slave becomes property of the master.

A baker is paid by his customer for his services.

By the way, where are all these gay-hating ultra masculine bakers? Have they considered getting a different job?

(April 25, 2014 at 7:03 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Running a business comes with the understanding that you have to do so under certain conditions, as well. If you are unwilling to do that, then you should find a line of work where your prejudices don't come into play.

The market is capable of dictating those conditions better than Ryantology....or some other crackpot in power who wants to tell everyone else how to behave....in my opinion.

Seriously....what gives you the right to tell Chic-Fil-A how to conduct business? If you can do that, why can't I dictate how you conduct your business if I come to power?. What If I decide that you should sell your labor to Walmart......would you happy with that decree?

Having a free country means some people will do things you disagree with. Get over it.

Having liberal, heretical, backsliding Heywoodites out preaching their version of the buffet style gospel would seem to me to be advancing the Atheist cause rather more than the 'Christian' cause.

Maybe we need to send them money ??

Right? I mean, if Chick-Fil-A or Carl's decide they don't want to serve blacks, we should let them do that, right? What kind if world is this if they can't decide not to serve the Negroes?

(April 25, 2014 at 7:14 pm)Heywood Wrote: Having a free country means some people will do things you disagree with. Get over it.

When it comes to the majority employing those corrupt practices which lead to the minority being unable to enjoy being human in a supposed free country, then there is no "getting over it".

(April 25, 2014 at 7:07 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(April 25, 2014 at 6:55 pm)Heywood Wrote: I disagree with your characterization that forcing a baker to make a wedding cake for a wedding that he does not recognize is discrimination against the baker. It is rather forcing the baker to take an action against his will for the benefit of someone else. We normally call this slavery not discrimination.

This is the point I made and you failed to address it.

That's because it is not a valid point. Slavery is unpaid indentured servitude where the slave becomes property of the master.

A baker is paid by his customer for his services.

By the way, where are all these gay-hating ultra masculine bakers? Have they considered getting a different job?

If I told you that you had to work for Walmart or not allowed work at all.....would you consider yourself a free person just because they paid you minimum wage? Negative....you would think of yourself as a slave.

(April 25, 2014 at 7:19 pm)Heywood Wrote: If I told you that you had to work for Walmart or not allowed work at all.....

Yet, is that not what the "right to work" law claims, nonetheless?

(April 25, 2014 at 7:18 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(April 25, 2014 at 7:14 pm)Heywood Wrote: Having a free country means some people will do things you disagree with. Get over it.

When it comes to the majority employing those corrupt practices which lead to the minority being unable to enjoy being human in a supposed free country, then there is no "getting over it".

What happens is the majority use government laws to suppress the minority because the market won't do it otherwise.

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(April 25, 2014 at 7:21 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(April 25, 2014 at 7:19 pm)Heywood Wrote: If I told you that you had to work for Walmart or not allowed work at all.....

Yet, is that not what the "right to work" law claims, nonetheless?

Well you should have quoted the whole sentence instead of mining a fragment.....but I will answer anyways.

Right to work, as I understand it, means you cannot be forced to belong to a union as a condition of employment.

Why would you want to force anyone to belong to an organization as a condition of employment other than to further the interest of that organization at the expense of individuals freedom?

(April 25, 2014 at 7:21 pm)Heywood Wrote: What happens is the majority use government laws to suppress the minority because the market won't do it otherwise.

No, the reality speaks the truth. What happens is that the minority is always supressed by the majority religious ideal that should have no part in governmental dicisions.