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Christian Priest to Atheist to Buddhist
#41
RE: Christian Priest to Atheist to Buddhist
(May 12, 2014 at 9:54 am)Hoopington Wrote:
(May 8, 2014 at 12:42 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote: They can call themselves Buddhist all they want, but if they do not follow the teachings of Buddha, then they are not buddhist. Also remember that Buddhism isn't the issue, humans are. It is not Buddhism that holds anger, it is human nature.

There are those who stray from the teachings of most religions.

The Buddha taught that inner peace was the key to enlightenment. Acceptance of others and so forth. Radicalism is not the buddhist way but that does not mean people who stray from the teachings could not be radical.

It is sad, but by most Buddhists those Buddhists are not considered buddhist :/

Ah, so, those Buddhist monks aren't buddhists at all?

You cannot have your cake and eat it my friend, they are Buddhists and they are killing others in the name of their religion.

Many Muslims and Christians decry the actions of others of their religion in the same way you are, doesn't stop the fact that people are killing and using their religion as justification.

You've also hit the nail on the head with another argument, you say they are not real Buddhists as they are not following the teachings of Buddha.... but these teachings can and are misconstrued, in the same way the teachings of most other religions are. Who are you to say what Buddha meant?

I guess you didn't follow that article huh? They are probably upset about the women that the Muslims were raping. But who gets mad about that anyway.

Check for the news in 2012 where the muslims were raping the buddhist women.
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#42
RE: Christian Priest to Atheist to Buddhist
Special pleading.

When has the torment and murder of innocents served Justice?
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#43
RE: Christian Priest to Atheist to Buddhist
(May 17, 2014 at 6:51 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Special pleading.

When has the torment and murder of innocents served Justice?

Never, when has the above mentioned not happened in the history of all man kind?

As I thought.

Being buddhist doesn't negate human qualities. Humans are still human, whether you are Buddhist, Catholic, Atheist.

What ever your title there will forever be negative actions, to say that it is because they are Buddhist, Catholic, or Atheist is a sad excuse.

It truly is: because a human, is a human.

Humans do as humans do, there will always be violence, there will always be incidents, if you are Jainist, and I stab your wife, would your outbursts of anger be unnatural. nope.

If I raped and tormented your women, would it matter what philosophy you've adapted? Probably not, because you are human.

Break away from the concept that a Title of philosophy or religion negates human characteristics because they do not and they never have.

If my wife was rapped gloves are off, I would most likely be out for blood, even though violence is against the teachings.

These monks feel the same way, and I would like to add for the record that Violence among monks is not at all uncommon.

Why should this be shocking?

Basic understanding of foreign culture and history at elementary level proves this.

In history you know that Monks for example the Shaolin Monks (Buddhists - ones in reference) were peaceful by nature, but they were also extremely deadly when provoked or attacked. Though they'd prefer a peaceful solution, they were very well equipped to handle themselves if needed, this often to protect themselves, other members, or even the Monastery.

This has been extremely well documented throughout history. But Westerners often put Monks on higher platforms and expect them never to be violent, this probably do to the influx of Christian dogma (turn the other cheek, non violence, etc).

Hope this clears up the fact that though they wear robes and live in a Monastery they are people, they will push back, and they as must humans will do what they feel they have to do when threatened.

The Buddhist Monks have no god to please. There is no hell, there is no heaven. They follow a teaching of peace but that is not perfect.
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#44
RE: Christian Priest to Atheist to Buddhist
You pulled a no true buddhist card earlier. Now your latest statement contradicts that.

Buddhists are no more special than every other ideologue. Do you agree with that or not?
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#45
RE: Christian Priest to Atheist to Buddhist
(May 17, 2014 at 7:22 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: You pulled a no true buddhist card earlier. Now your latest statement contradicts that.

Buddhists are no more special than every other ideologue. Do you agree with that or not?

I'm sorry but that is what my last few posts have stated, I believe the post you are referring to was the one in where I stated that they are not considered "buddhists" But I believe taken out of context you would get the assumption, unfortunately I am referring to the ones that mindlessly cause violence towards others, not those defending their people or their women.

Several times I have stated title means nothing, humans are humans people are people.

So I am inclined to believe and I apologize for the misunderstanding about the earlier post
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#46
RE: Christian Priest to Atheist to Buddhist
(May 11, 2014 at 11:28 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote: Sorry to NecroPost but

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/dalai-...age-n46906

The Dalai Lama does support gays.

This is bullshit.

"People who have belief or who have special traditions, then you should follow according to your own tradition. Like Buddhism, there are different kinds of sexual misconduct, so you should follow properly. But then for a non-believer, that is up to them." ~ Dalai Lama on Larry King Live



Quote:“They [his Californian followers] want me to condone homosexuality. But I am a Buddhist and, for a Buddhist, a relationship between two men is wrong. Some sexual conduct in marriage is also wrong," he says. “For example, using one's mouth and the other hole.” “This too is wrong," he adds, shaking his hand up and down vigorously. I look at the translator, perplexed. “Masturbation, madam,'' he says. The Dalai Lama laughs as I blush. “If an individual has no faith, that is a different matter," he says. “If two men really love each other and are not religious, then that is OK by me."

http://www.tibet.ca/en/library/wtn/archi...m=5&p=25_1

"Sexual misconduct corrodes self-respect, harms children and destroys the partner's peace of mind." ~ Dalai Lama, 1999

Quote:While non-believers are no doubt happy to be left to their own devices, the logic of this double-standard raises questions about the Dalai Lama’s broader view of Buddhism, humanity, and ethics. The goal of Buddhism is freedom from suffering, and indeed the ‘compassion’ promoted by the Dalai Lama is epitomised in the bodhisattva Avalokiteśvara’s vow to defer his own enlightenment until all sentient beings have been liberated. Presuming that the rules of Buddhism are oriented directly or indirectly towards this liberation, the implication is that the rules against sexual misconduct exist because sexual misconduct is somehow harmful, or an obstacle, to individual enlightenment.

So what does the Dalai Lama really mean when he says that for the non-religious, acts of sexual misconduct are “OK by me”? He can’t mean that sexual misconduct is only harmful to professed Buddhists....

- See more at: Compassionate or confusing? The Dalai Lama on same-sex marriage

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#47
RE: Christian Priest to Atheist to Buddhist
(May 17, 2014 at 8:14 pm)rasetsu Wrote:
(May 11, 2014 at 11:28 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote: Sorry to NecroPost but

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/dalai-...age-n46906

The Dalai Lama does support gays.

This is bullshit.

"People who have belief or who have special traditions, then you should follow according to your own tradition. Like Buddhism, there are different kinds of sexual misconduct, so you should follow properly. But then for a non-believer, that is up to them." ~ Dalai Lama on Larry King Live



Quote:“They [his Californian followers] want me to condone homosexuality. But I am a Buddhist and, for a Buddhist, a relationship between two men is wrong. Some sexual conduct in marriage is also wrong," he says. “For example, using one's mouth and the other hole.” “This too is wrong," he adds, shaking his hand up and down vigorously. I look at the translator, perplexed. “Masturbation, madam,'' he says. The Dalai Lama laughs as I blush. “If an individual has no faith, that is a different matter," he says. “If two men really love each other and are not religious, then that is OK by me."

http://www.tibet.ca/en/library/wtn/archi...m=5&p=25_1

"Sexual misconduct corrodes self-respect, harms children and destroys the partner's peace of mind." ~ Dalai Lama, 1999

Quote:While non-believers are no doubt happy to be left to their own devices, the logic of this double-standard raises questions about the Dalai Lama’s broader view of Buddhism, humanity, and ethics. The goal of Buddhism is freedom from suffering, and indeed the ‘compassion’ promoted by the Dalai Lama is epitomised in the bodhisattva Avalokiteśvara’s vow to defer his own enlightenment until all sentient beings have been liberated. Presuming that the rules of Buddhism are oriented directly or indirectly towards this liberation, the implication is that the rules against sexual misconduct exist because sexual misconduct is somehow harmful, or an obstacle, to individual enlightenment.

So what does the Dalai Lama really mean when he says that for the non-religious, acts of sexual misconduct are “OK by me”? He can’t mean that sexual misconduct is only harmful to professed Buddhists....

- See more at: Compassionate or confusing? The Dalai Lama on same-sex marriage


You. Are. Wrong.

Next time use a source other than christians.

Christian Source - Proof

Support Gays - Dalai Lama

Support Gays - Dalai Lama

Next time you call bullshit get it from the man himself. But then again, the Holy Google Search Engine you use is bad enough. He is often misquoted to suit homophobic agendas.





The ball is in your court. Take your best shot.
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#48
RE: Christian Priest to Atheist to Buddhist
You never did answer the man's question. Who are you to say what is the proper understanding of Siddhartha's teachings?

"Very often, they ask the question, “Is homosexuality breaking the 5 precepts?” Particularly, this concerns the 3rd precept, which concerns sexual misconduct. However, the studies of Buddhist meaning of the term sexual misconduct certainly does not include homosexual activities." ~ Ajahn Brahmavamso Mahathera

Apparently he didn't clear it with the head of Tibetan Buddhism.

Is the fact that you can dredge up "gay friendly" Buddhists supposed to impress me? It doesn't change the fundamental two-facedness of the Dalai Lama.

He just sucks westerners' cock, because it's useful to him to do so.
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#49
RE: Christian Priest to Atheist to Buddhist
(May 17, 2014 at 8:36 pm)rasetsu Wrote: You never did answer the man's question. Who are you to say what is the proper understanding of Siddhartha's teachings?

"Very often, they ask the question, “Is homosexuality breaking the 5 precepts?” Particularly, this concerns the 3rd precept, which concerns sexual misconduct. However, the studies of Buddhist meaning of the term sexual misconduct certainly does not include homosexual activities." ~ Ajahn Brahmavamso Mahathera

Apparently he didn't clear it with the head of Tibetan Buddhism.

Is the fact that you can dredge up "gay friendly" Buddhists supposed to impress me? It doesn't change the fundamental two-facedness of the Dalai Lama.

He just sucks westerners' cock, because it's useful to him to do so.


Who am I? No one, but common sense and study into the teachings opens up the answer. What did buddha say?

He taught about acceptance, among many other things. So is it a stretch to say that he would be okay with same-sex?

Well history tells you

Quote:Theravada Buddhist countries like Sri Lanka and Burma had no legal statutes against homosexuality between consenting adults until the colonial era when they were introduced by the British. Thailand, which had no colonial experience, still has no such laws. This had led some Western homosexuals to believe that homosexuality is quite accepted in Buddhist countries of South and South-east Asia. This is certainly not true. In such countries, when homosexuals are thought of at all, it is more likely to be in a good-humored way or with a degree of pity. Certainly the loathing, fear and hatred that the Western homosexual has so often had to endure is absent and this is due, to a very large degree, to Buddhism's humane and tolerant influence.

I think your understanding of the 5 Precepts are lacking.

Sorry to throw water on it, but

Quote:"Sexual misconduct" has thus traditionally been interpreted to include actions like coercive sex, sexual harassment, child molestation and adultery. As Homosexuality is not explicitly mentioned in any of the Buddha's sayings recorded in the Pali Canon (Tripitaka), most interpreters have taken this to mean that homosexuality should be evaluated in the same way as heterosexuality, in accordance with the above principles.

Wait what else did the Buddha teach: Compassion.

You can dig up as much anti-gay smudge as you wish but the the Dalai Lama himself stated that it was okay, in person.

Who's word are you following to meet your agenda?

The Dalai Lama

The Buddha talked about compassion, and accepting others. "The reason we judge others is because we judge ourselves"

You will argue this until you have won your agenda. He said what he said, he stands where he stands, you either accept it or you don't but saying he is against it when he has stated otherwise will get you no where.

As a side note, those whom support your side, will continue.

Quote:question the truth and consequences of all traditional
teachings

It sounds as if you have anger towards either gays or buddhists. It isn't clear what side your on. It really does not matter.

Who am I? I am The BlackSwordsman.

Quote:Be a lamp unto yourself

-Buddha
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#50
RE: Christian Priest to Atheist to Buddhist
My mom is something like this, or atleast has books about Buddhism, and the way she descibes it as is mainy like a self improvement. I see nothing wrong with it, and seems healthy. From how she uses it I wouldn't even consider it a relgion and far from harmful. I really know little about how it is in the rest of the world though...not something I've researched.
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