(May 19, 2014 at 3:55 am)Riketto Wrote: You mean that when i asked you to explain the meaning of philosophy
you ignored and when i asked you the difference between religion and spirituality you also ignore

You are simply lying here. I have answered both of your questions. Irrelevant of whether I answered them to your liking, I did not ignore them. In fact, several people have answered these questions. That makes you a liar. But stop deflecting. The issue was you ignoring any evidence that opposes your ideas, something you are doing right now.

(May 19, 2014 at 8:15 am)Losty Wrote: You didn't translate the quote
I want to know what the heck that means

Which quote do you mean? I was just answering Riketto's question about whether humans can salivate at the sight of raw meat.

(May 19, 2014 at 3:55 am)Riketto Wrote:

(May 18, 2014 at 9:56 am)Confused Ape Wrote: I went to the Ananda Margo site and found this article about the Anando Margo Diet.

So what you make out?

As I said in that other post, the Anando Margo diet includes dairy products. I then went into the fact that the ability to tolerate milk as adults is an adaptation from when humans invented animal husbandry but the adaptation hasn't spread to all humans on the planet. Do you honestly think our remote pre-human ancestors ran around with buckets so they could milk wild aurochs and make butter and cheese? If you insist that eating meat is unnatural for humans you'll have to include dairy products as being unnatural for humans as well.

All the evidence points to humans being omnivorous because animals survive by adapting. This includes the Giant Panda which has survived by adapting.

Quote:Though it belongs to the order Carnivora, the panda's diet is over 99% bamboo.[4] Pandas in the wild will occasionally eat other grasses, wild tubers, or even meat in the form of birds, rodents or carrion.

Despite its taxonomic classification as a carnivoran, the giant panda's diet is primarily herbivorous, consisting almost exclusively of bamboo.[22] Pandas are born with sterile intestines, and require bacteria obtained from their mother's feces to digest vegetation.[33][34] However, the giant panda still has the digestive system of a carnivore, as well as carnivore-specific genes,[35] and thus derives little energy and little protein from consumption of bamboo. Its ability to digest cellulose is ascribed to the microbes in its gut.[36][37] The giant panda is a "highly specialized" animal with "unique adaptations", and has lived in bamboo forests for millions of years.[25] The average giant panda eats as much as 9 to 14 kg (20 to 30 lb) of bamboo shoots a day. Given this large diet, the giant panda can defecate up to 40 times a day.[38] Because it consumes a diet low in nutrition, it is important for it to keep its digestive tract full.[22] The limited energy input imposed on it by its diet has affected the panda's behavior. The giant panda tends to limit its social interactions and avoids steeply sloping terrain to limit its energy expenditures.[39]

Humans being omnivores doesn't mean that people are obliged to eat meat and fish as long as they have the luxury of being able to get all the nutrition they need from nuts, fruits, dairy products and plants. It's also a luxury being able to get vitamin B12 from manufactured supplements if people don't want dairy products and eggs either.

Western style junk food isn't confined to factory farmed meat products. A vegan will be in poor health if he/she eats too much sugar, salt and soy.

Brikette:

(May 19, 2014 at 5:38 am)Confused Ape Wrote: What people like to cook still depends on culture, though.

True, but you also got to consider that for those who believe
in reincarnation like me everything boil down to the fact that
you in the next life carry on with the same attitudes that you
had in the previous life so if you were eating meat before you
will be born in a similar culture and the opposite is true if you
were a veg. with ways in between.
Regarding to the salivate for raw meat issue here we reach an
extreme situation of desperation.
When there is nothing else to eat people in order to survive
would eat almost everything even disgusting things.

http://metro.co.uk/2012/06/11/andes-cras...me-463634/

After sometime people get used to and that become the norm.
That is how in the far past people started eating meat.
In most places this situation last as long as the lack of their
natural food last so these people go back to their normal food
once the situation goes back to normal.
In places where the situation keep desperate like in extreme
cold places people have no choices but keep on eating whatever
they find that is why Inuits get used to eating not only meat but
raw meat.
Many people come to say that this is normal but normal is not.
If we then take a guy living in England where there are choices
and say that he salivate at the sight of raw meat then i will have
to stop reasoning and say.....THIS GUY IS A NUT CASE.

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(May 19, 2014 at 9:31 am)Bad Wolf Wrote:

(May 19, 2014 at 3:55 am)Riketto Wrote: You mean that when i asked you to explain the meaning of philosophy
you ignored and when i asked you the difference between religion and spirituality you also ignore

You are simply lying here. I have answered both of your questions. Irrelevant of whether I answered them to your liking, I did not ignore them. In fact, several people have answered these questions. That makes you a liar. But stop deflecting. The issue was you ignoring any evidence that opposes your ideas, something you are doing right now.

You are not paying attention to what i said in previous posts.
I want to know from you guys what is the meaning of philosophy
and all the rest.
When i say FROM YOU GUYS i mean something coming out from
your intellect not coming out from WIKI or other sources and then
paste it in here.
It is obvious that most of you haven't got a clue about philosophy,
and all other field of knowledge and yet you pretend to know so
much.
Keep on trying boy but until you come down to earth it will be
very hard indeed.

(May 20, 2014 at 9:55 am)Riketto Wrote: True, but you also got to consider that for those who believe
in reincarnation like me everything boil down to the fact that
you in the next life carry on with the same attitudes that you
had in the previous life so if you were eating meat before you
will be born in a similar culture and the opposite is true if you
were a veg. with ways in between.

You can believe in reincarnation if you want to but why is it necessary to believe that humans aren't omnivores in order to be concerned with the ethics of factory farming etc.?

There are vegetarians and vegans who accept the fact that humans are omnivores. Their reasons for promoting their diets are ethical considerations for how food animals are treated, the health risks from factory farmed meat and environmental issues such as how many resources are needed to produce a pound of meat compared to a pound of vegetables. They also point out that Vitamin B12 doesn't come from plant foods so vegans have to take a supplement. This advice also turned up on that Jain website article I quoted from in an earlier post.

Who are people most likely to listen to? The vegetarians and vegans who use science when writing about their lifestyle choice or the ones who insist that humans can't digest meat so it rots away in the colon for days on end?

(May 20, 2014 at 9:55 am)Riketto Wrote: You are not paying attention to what i said in previous posts.
I want to know from you guys what is the meaning of philosophy
and all the rest.
When i say FROM YOU GUYS i mean something coming out from
your intellect not coming out from WIKI or other sources and then
paste it in here.
It is obvious that most of you haven't got a clue about philosophy,
and all other field of knowledge and yet you pretend to know so
much.
Keep on trying boy but until you come down to earth it will be
very hard indeed.

Maybe we posted definitions because we agreed with them, dolt.
And anyway, our knowledge of philosophy is totally irrelevant to this subject. All this is, is an attempted distraction from your idiocy.

(May 20, 2014 at 1:05 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:

(May 20, 2014 at 9:55 am)Riketto Wrote: You are not paying attention to what i said in previous posts.
I want to know from you guys what is the meaning of philosophy
and all the rest.
When i say FROM YOU GUYS i mean something coming out from
your intellect not coming out from WIKI or other sources and then
paste it in here.
It is obvious that most of you haven't got a clue about philosophy,
and all other field of knowledge and yet you pretend to know so
much.
Keep on trying boy but until you come down to earth it will be
very hard indeed.

Maybe we posted definitions because we agreed with them, dolt.

Good one.
And you expect me to believe you!

Quote:And anyway, our knowledge of philosophy is totally irrelevant to this subject. All this is, is an attempted distraction from your idiocy.

That is funny.
You guys post hundred of post in the philosophy and religious forums
without having a clue about these issues?
Don't make me laugh please.
I just had my dinner, i can't laugh at the moment.

(May 21, 2014 at 9:50 am)Riketto Wrote: I just had my dinner, i can't laugh at the moment.

What did you have?

(May 20, 2014 at 11:27 am)Confused Ape Wrote: You can believe in reincarnation if you want to but why is it necessary to believe that humans aren't omnivores in order to be concerned with the ethics of factory farming etc.?

I don't follow you.
When i say that?

Quote:There are vegetarians and vegans who accept the fact that humans are omnivores. Their reasons for promoting their diets are ethical considerations for how food animals are treated, the health risks from factory farmed meat and environmental issues such as how many resources are needed to produce a pound of meat compared to a pound of vegetables. They also point out that Vitamin B12 doesn't come from plant foods so vegans have to take a supplement. This advice also turned up on that Jain website article I quoted from in an earlier post.
Who are people most likely to listen to? The vegetarians and vegans who use science when writing about their lifestyle choice or the ones who insist that humans can't digest meat so it rots away in the colon for days on end?

We got all sort of people with all sort of ideas.
We both may agree on veg. issues but may not agree on
the existence or not of God.
Other people may agree on the existence or not of God but not
on veg. issues.
Nothing really new under the stars.

(May 20, 2014 at 9:55 am)Riketto Wrote: THIS GUY IS A NUT CASE.

Pretty much sums up the reaction of every poster on here when you post something, Rick.

Do you realise nobody here has the foggiest clue what you're saying, or indeed what drugs you're on, right?