(May 27, 2014 at 10:21 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: Atheism ,another Religion?

Before you dismiss the question ; As recently reported in the New York Times, military personnel who identify themselves as "Atheists" have requested chaplains to tend to their spiritual needs.

So you regard requesting a chaplain as being the defining characteristic of religion? Have you considered that the desireability of having a chaplain may have to do with their entirely unique power to assist troops confidentially? Military psychologists will report your problems to the commander, only the chaplain has the right to confidentiality. Chaplains also have bureacratic powers and influence beyond those of mortal military counselors.

And I believe the request is for humanist chaplains, not all atheists are humanists and humanism is not a synonym for atheist, although most humanists are also atheists.

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(May 27, 2014 at 10:27 pm)Sejanus Wrote: Theism = religion. Atheism = without religion.
How hard is that to understand?

Sorry, that's not what those words mean. Neither theism nor atheism are relgions. Anthropologically speaking, a religion could be atheistic. Some arguably are, or at least border on it. A ton of Unitarians are also atheists, for instance.

Theism=believes in at least one God or god.
Atheism=does not believe in at least one God or god.

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(May 27, 2014 at 10:28 pm)psychoslice Wrote: It seems like their sitting on the fence, calling themselves atheist, but just in case they also want the chaplain, na, their not for real.

Most of the things a chaplain does for a troop have nothing to do with religion.

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(May 27, 2014 at 10:37 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote:

(May 27, 2014 at 10:32 pm)Sejanus Wrote: Also, how exactly does a few people who call themselves atheists requesting a chaplain make atheism a religion?

Not all the SS were atheists ,less than half . But they had no chaplains.

What does THAT have to do with the price of tea in China?

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(May 27, 2014 at 10:48 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote:

(May 27, 2014 at 10:46 pm)Sejanus Wrote: That's irrelevant, and doesn't answer my question. Also, how do you know what proportion of the SS were atheists? I'm pretty sure there weren't any publicly atheist SS going around at that time.

Surveys did not originate with Mr. Neilsen.

So you claim to have a survey? Let's see it.

(May 27, 2014 at 10:48 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: As recently reported in the New York Times, military personnel who identify themselves as "Atheists" have requested chaplains to tend to their spiritual needs. As the Times article notes, "Defense Department statistics show that about 9,400 of the nation's 1.4 million active-duty military personnel identify themselves as atheists or agnostics, making them a larger subpopulation than Jews, Muslims, Hindus or Buddhists in the military." Having their own chaplains, the article explains, would give Atheists a sense of legitimacy and help validate their own system of values and beliefs.

The U.S. Government reports that in 2008 those identifying themselves specifically as "Atheist" composed the 18th largest group of 43 possible categories of "self-described religious identification." The number of persons so identifying themselves almost doubled from seven years earlier. Admittedly, "Atheist" is one of the options listed under "no religion specified," but given that other options for respondents included checking "Agnostic" or "No Religion" or not answering the question at all, it appears that identifying oneself specifically as an Atheist, as opposed to simply "not religious," is growing in appeal. This points to the utility of a distinction made by Jonathan Lanman between "non-theists," those with no particular religious belief, and "strong atheists," those who view religion not only as irrelevant but as misguided and dangerous.

You'd think it would be relevant that what's actually been requested are fully-trained humanist chaplains, which can be supplied by Harvard.

web sites, meeting places, they are got it wrong, leaders, symbols, chaplins,

all we have to do now is kill someone in the name of atheist

(May 28, 2014 at 12:56 pm)archangle Wrote: web sites, meeting places, they are got it wrong, leaders, symbols, chaplins,

all we have to do now is kill someone in the name of atheist

"In the name of atheist"?

Also, under this definition, Chess clubs, AAA, Carl's Jr., all qualify as religions.

(May 27, 2014 at 10:21 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: Atheism ,another Religion?

Before you dismiss the question ; As recently reported in the New York Times, military personnel who identify themselves as "Atheists" have requested chaplains to tend to their spiritual needs.

Being in the military can be stressful. Having someone to talk to about real life issues, who isn't going to tell you to go pray, can be helpful.

An atheist chaplain would serve the same purpose as a secular therapist.

(May 28, 2014 at 7:51 am)archangle Wrote: 7) Do we need a Chaplin in the army.

What, like this?

(May 28, 2014 at 1:07 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(May 28, 2014 at 12:56 pm)archangle Wrote: web sites, meeting places, they are got it wrong, leaders, symbols, chaplins,

all we have to do now is kill someone in the name of atheist

"In the name of atheist"?

Also, under this definition, Chess clubs, AAA, Carl's Jr., all qualify as religions.

many things qualify as "cults", I agree. We can twist anything to be good or bad. Its a look into ourselves by what one we pick.

But until a nuke goes off by a Muslim, and one will, religions still help far more than they hurt. I understand being frustrated by being popped in the pooper, but it doesn't make the person right.

chaplin in army = we has crossed the line.

(May 28, 2014 at 2:15 pm)archangle Wrote:

(May 28, 2014 at 1:07 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: "In the name of atheist"?

Also, under this definition, Chess clubs, AAA, Carl's Jr., all qualify as religions.

many things qualify as "cults", I agree. We can twist anything to be good or bad. Its a look into ourselves by what one we pick.

But until a nuke goes off by a Muslim, and one will, religions still help far more than they hurt. I understand being frustrated by being popped in the pooper, but it doesn't make the person right.

chaplin in army = we has crossed the line. :-/

Wait, what?

(May 28, 2014 at 2:15 pm)archangle Wrote: But until a nuke goes off by a Muslim, and one will, religions still help far more than they hurt.

So, flying 2 planes into two skyscrapers doesn't count as "bad enough"?

(May 27, 2014 at 10:37 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote:

(May 27, 2014 at 10:32 pm)Sejanus Wrote: Also, how exactly does a few people who call themselves atheists requesting a chaplain make atheism a religion?

Not all the SS were atheists ,less than half . But they had no chaplains.

HItler wasn't an atheist so why would his 'guards' be?

(May 28, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(May 27, 2014 at 10:37 pm)Artur Axmann Wrote: Not all the SS were atheists ,less than half . But they had no chaplains.

HItler wasn't an atheist so why would his 'guards' be?

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

- Adolf Hitler

When Point 24 of our program says the party stands for a positive Christianity, here above all is the cornerstone of our thinking. Christ preached struggle as did no other. His life was struggle for his beliefs, for which he went to his death. From everyone he demanded a decision between yes and no.

-Walter Buch, head of the Nazi party court "Geist und Kampf" (speech): Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf (probably given between 1930 and 1932), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]

Christ stands never otherwise than erect, never otherwise than upright... eyes flashing in the midst of the creeping Jewish rabble... and the words fall like lashes of the whip: 'Your father is the devil' (John 8:44)

-Dietrich Eckart Der Bolschewismus von Moses bis Lenin: Zweigesprache zwischen Adolf Hitler und mir (Munich, 1924) [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]


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