(July 4, 2014 at 2:06 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: You could pretend all your life, and a mere definition does not make you an atheist. . . the fact, you are still the same with any religious people. It is a religion. end.

No, it isn't.

You can keep asserting that it is, but it will be, and indeed can be, ignored until you can give us something more than 'it is a religion because it is a religion!'

And FWIW, we're not 'denying" anything you say. We're just ignoring it, because it's nonsense.

Pretending to be something you're not? Good luck !

and. . I've said it, and I have proved that it is true. . . that's all that matter, a religion.

(July 4, 2014 at 12:55 am)Muslim Atheism Wrote: I quite agree, and maybe others may comment on this . . .

Quote:The Dogma of Atheism
A reading from The Aletheon,
by Avatar Adi Da Samraj

Atheism is the ultimate form of denial of the Parental "God". Atheism is not founded on real observation of the ultimate facts of the universe. Rather, it is a kind of adolescent development of the human species.

What characterizes the doctrine (or dogma) of atheism is not a discovery that there is no "God", but a refusal to acknowledge every kind of parent (or parent-like authority), including (therefore) the Parental "God" of childish "religion".

— from "The Parental Deity and The One To Be Realized"

Atheism (or the conception that no "Creator-God" — or any other Greater Reality — exists) has always opposed theism (or "God-religion"). Nevertheless, atheistic ideas are the product of the same fundamental egoic consciousness that otherwise produces theistic (or conventional "religious") ideas.

Atheism is the product of the ego (or the phenomenal "self", grounded in elemental perception), and so also is theism. Atheism, like exoteric "God-religion", extends itself only into the domain of the first three stages of life — whereas esoteric "God-religion" provides a means for entering, mystically and Spiritually, into the developmental processes of the fourth stage of life and the fifth stage of life.

Atheism regularly proposes a "logic" of life that has its own dogmatic features. It does not propose a "God"-idea but, instead, founds itself on and in the perceptual and phenomenal mind alone.

Atheism concedes only a universal and ultimately indifferent (or merely lawful) cosmic Nature (not a "God") — and, so, there is no need to create a "religious creation-myth" to account for suffering. (And atheistic thinkers thus generally confine themselves to constructing a cosmology, based on material observations alone, that merely accounts for the apparent workings of the conditionally manifested events of cosmic Nature.)

Indeed, just as conventional "God-religion" (or conventional theism) arises to account for suffering, atheism arises on the basis of the unreserved acknowledgment of suffering. And, if there is no idea of "God", there is no idea of the human being as "creature" (or, in other words, the human being as the bearer of an immortal, or "God-like", "inner" part). Nor is there any need to interpret unfortunate or painful events as the "effects" of "Evil".

Therefore, the atheistic "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "realism", just as the conventional "religious" (or theistic) "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "idealism" — but both atheism and theism arise on the basis of the "self"-contraction (or the ego of phenomenal "self"-consciousness), rather than on the basis of direct Intuition of the Real Self-Nature, Self-Condition, and Self-State That is Prior to separate "self" and its conventions of perception and thought.

The realistic (or atheistic) view is just as much the bearer of a myth (or a merely conceptual interpretation of the "world") as is the conventional "religious" (or theistic) view. Atheism (or conventional realism) is a state of mind which is based in the phenomenal "self" and which seeks the ultimate protection, nourishment, pleasure, and preservation of the phenomenal "self" (at least in this "world" and, if there should be an after-life, then also in any other "world").

Therefore, atheism (or conventional realism) is simply a philosophical alternative to theism (or conventional "God-religion"), based on the same principle and consciousness (which is the phenomenal ego), and seeking (by alternative means) to fulfill the conditionally manifested "self" and relieve it of its suffering.

(July 4, 2014 at 2:01 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Therefore, atheism (or conventional realism) is simply a philosophical alternative to theism

Wow... Where the hell did you pull that shit from?

Atheism is not a world view. Period. It addresses nothing about reality. Its not, nor ever has been, a philosophical position, on anything. Its most certainly not an "alternative" to theism, because it makes no claims.

It barely qualifies as an "ism" for these reasons.

All it is, is a response to theistic claims as unproven, or not sufficiently met their burden of proof. Nothing more.

(July 4, 2014 at 2:25 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Pretending to be something you're not? Good luck !

and. . I've said it, and I have proved that it is true. . . that's all that matter, a religion.

I'm sorry but you don't get to tell other people who they are. That's supreme arrogance on your part that only serves to highlight the illogical thought processes you've engaged in to reach such a conclusion.

The only thing you've proven thus far is that you have a penchant for posting indecipherable nonsense. That you're from Malaysia is no excuse for faulty, illogical thinking.

You can continue to post excerpts of word salad (As you've done above) ad nauseum and we will all still ignore them until you give us something more than your delusions to add weight to them.

Goddamnit with these fucking copypastas. I swear I heard somewhere that it was against the rules to shit copypasta all over the forum and never actually say anything.

Maybe another forum I'm not sure but please stop that. It's annoying as fuck.

Form your own thoughts and intelligible sentences FFS

(July 4, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: I'm sorry but you don't get to tell other people who they are. That's supreme arrogance on your part that only serves to highlight the illogical thought processes you've engaged in to reach such a conclusion.

I'm sorry but it is not arrogance, and it is based on facts. . . . ie. none can prove it is different than any religions . . same traits different God. It is quite simple to see the truth.

one like Avatar Adi Da Samraj is the real atheist, he is not plastic.

(July 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(July 4, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: I'm sorry but you don't get to tell other people who they are. That's supreme arrogance on your part that only serves to highlight the illogical thought processes you've engaged in to reach such a conclusion.

I'm sorry but it is not arrogance, and it is based on facts. . . . ie. none can prove it is different than any religions . . same traits different God. It is quite simple to see the truth.

It is arrogance. You haven't given any facts. Just false assertions and flat out lies. The only trait that atheism has is no god

(July 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(July 4, 2014 at 2:34 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: I'm sorry but you don't get to tell other people who they are. That's supreme arrogance on your part that only serves to highlight the illogical thought processes you've engaged in to reach such a conclusion.

I'm sorry but it is not arrogance, and it is based on facts. . . . ie. none can prove it is different than any religions . . same traits different God. It is quite simple to see the truth.

one like Avatar Adi Da Samraj is the real atheist.

Again. It's pretty easy to ignore someone who likes to pontificate their supremacy based on nothing more than their own delusions.

It is arrogance, misplaced arrogance at that, and I'm very sorry for you that you can't see the wood through the trees.

(July 4, 2014 at 2:46 pm)Losty Wrote: The only trait that atheism has is no god

The God is "YOU", the Primary God. . . . self and ego-fulfillment. . . just like what the religious people did with their "Secondary God" (Allah, Jesus, Lord Krishna etc).

(July 4, 2014 at 1:13 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Simple, no matter how many people I've seen in this world . . . there is still only one person there, me!

There's certainly one ego on this thread, that's for sure.