(July 9, 2014 at 8:53 pm)Losty Wrote:

(July 9, 2014 at 8:29 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Okay, I've debated for many years with Muslim, scholars and clergy etc, I guess. . hundreds of them. . . and this is the same response I've received from religious people. . . they appeal to fallacy when they cannot think any valid logical explanations. . that doesn't surprise me much, but it is very weird when I see the same strategy being used over and over again by someone claimed to be an Atheist. . . or perhaps. . .

I indeed am not appealing to fallacy, unless there is a fallacy of using the actual definition of a word. The last I checked that isn't a fallacy.

*Puts on MA hat*

You're committing the fallacy of fallacy by fallaciously appealing to the definition of a fallacy.

Yeah right, I believe "so and so" because one billion Muslims say "so and so" or because Dawkins, Harris or some videos say "so and so", or name calling and curses etc , and it is not fallacious . . . . and "I don't have to give reasons".

That's all I hear from the start, without any premises.

(July 9, 2014 at 10:12 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Yeah right, I believe "so and so" because one billion Muslims say "so and so" or because Dawkins, Harris or some videos say "so and so" , and it is not fallacious. . . . and "I don't have to give reasons".

That's all I hear from the start, without any premises.

Who did I say I believe? When have I ever referenced Dawkins or Harris?
I accept the definition that is listed in the fucking dictionary, asshat.

Is it just me or is the "fallacy" of circular logic being used abundantly here?

(July 9, 2014 at 10:17 pm)Losty Wrote: I accept the definition that is listed in the fucking dictionary, asshat.

You still don't get it, right ?

That's what I said, it is a fallacy. . . ie. it is the fallacy of appeal to authority (the dictionary), and when I dispute the meaning of Allah with the main premise of Islam, the Shahada. . together with proof and valid premises.

Muhammad's Allah

(July 8, 2014 at 8:48 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Premise 1: No God
Premise 2: Only Allah

Premises in negative form (No God), and affirmative form (Only Allah). Two contradictory premises, "No" and "Only" (yes). Therefore it is impossible for Allah to be a God and invalidating the first premise of "No God". There is no way Allah is a God.

How do you explain these premises, since you are repeatedly saying all sort things in here. . . . as absolute.

Baha'u'llah claims to have changed the Islamic "No God but Allah", a negative, into an affirmative "He is God"/"I am God".

I claim "I am God" (1) in the sense that God doesn't exist at all. It is impossible for God to exist, and even Allah is not a God . . . "No God" means there is "No Self/Ego" (0) (proven with facts) . . .

I think I see what you mean. Yes, Baha'u'llah asserts that the Essence of God is equivalent to His Attributes and Names, and since the Baha'i "Manifestation" reflects the Names and Attributes, He must also reflect the Essence of God.

The only way that He reflects the Essence of God is if the Essence of God is non-existent. Why? God is beyond all names and attributes. Therefore God doesn't exist.

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I am making the same argument you are, but from the affirmative (He is /I am God), not the negative (No God is there but God), sense.

(July 9, 2014 at 11:04 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote:

(July 9, 2014 at 10:17 pm)Losty Wrote: I accept the definition that is listed in the fucking dictionary, asshat.

You still don't get it, right ?

That's what I said, it is a fallacy. . . ie. it is the fallacy of appeal to authority (the dictionary), and when I dispute the meaning of Allah with the main premise of Islam, the Shahada. . together with proof and valid premises.

Muhammad's Allah

(July 8, 2014 at 8:48 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Premise 1: No God
Premise 2: Only Allah

Premises in negative form (No God), and affirmative form (Only Allah). Two contradictory premises, "No" and "Only" (yes). Therefore it is impossible for Allah to be a God and invalidating the first premise of "No God". There is no way Allah is a God.

How do you explain these premises, since you are repeatedly saying all sort things in here. . . . as absolute.

And again I ask, what proof?
I am not even arguing your beliefs. I am simply stating that you are not a Muslim in the traditional sense of the word.
If accepting the definition of words is the fallacy of appeal to authority that explains why all you ever say is a bunch of mumbo jumbo. You make your own definitions for everything because you refuse to submit to the authority of a tyrant dictionary.

I am a gnostic atheist and a gnostic Baha'i.
I know (gnosis) what Baha'ullah states, therefore I know (gnosis) that God doesn't exist.