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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 9:18 pm
(July 9, 2014 at 8:53 pm)Losty Wrote:
(July 9, 2014 at 8:29 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Okay, I've debated for many years with Muslim, scholars and clergy etc, I guess. . hundreds of them. . . and this is the same response I've received from religious people. . . they appeal to fallacy when they cannot think any valid logical explanations. . that doesn't surprise me much, but it is very weird when I see the same strategy being used over and over again by someone claimed to be an Atheist. . . or perhaps. . . Smile

I indeed am not appealing to fallacy, unless there is a fallacy of using the actual definition of a word. The last I checked that isn't a fallacy.

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You're committing the fallacy of fallacy by fallaciously appealing to the definition of a fallacy.
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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 10:12 pm (This post was last modified: July 9, 2014 at 10:17 pm by Muslim Atheism.)
Yeah right, I believe "so and so" because one billion Muslims say "so and so" or because Dawkins, Harris or some videos say "so and so", or name calling and curses etc , and it is not fallacious . . . . and "I don't have to give reasons".

That's all I hear from the start, without any premises. Big Grin
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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 10:17 pm
(July 9, 2014 at 10:12 pm)Muslim Atheism Wrote: Yeah right, I believe "so and so" because one billion Muslims say "so and so" or because Dawkins, Harris or some videos say "so and so" , and it is not fallacious. . . . and "I don't have to give reasons".

That's all I hear from the start, without any premises. Big Grin

Who did I say I believe? When have I ever referenced Dawkins or Harris?
I accept the definition that is listed in the fucking dictionary, asshat.
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#224
RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 10:37 pm
Is it just me or is the "fallacy" of circular logic being used abundantly here?
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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 11:04 pm (This post was last modified: July 9, 2014 at 11:11 pm by Muslim Atheism.)
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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 11:09 pm (This post was last modified: July 9, 2014 at 11:09 pm by logicalreason.)
Baha'u'llah claims to have changed the Islamic "No God but Allah", a negative, into an affirmative "He is God"/"I am God".
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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 11:12 pm (This post was last modified: July 9, 2014 at 11:16 pm by Muslim Atheism.)
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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 11:17 pm (This post was last modified: July 9, 2014 at 11:20 pm by logicalreason.)
I think I see what you mean. Yes, Baha'u'llah asserts that the Essence of God is equivalent to His Attributes and Names, and since the Baha'i "Manifestation" reflects the Names and Attributes, He must also reflect the Essence of God.

The only way that He reflects the Essence of God is if the Essence of God is non-existent. Why? God is beyond all names and attributes. Therefore God doesn't exist.
I am making the same argument you are, but from the affirmative (He is /I am God), not the negative (No God is there but God), sense.
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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 11:20 pm
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RE: I am God
July 9, 2014 at 11:20 pm (This post was last modified: July 9, 2014 at 11:22 pm by logicalreason.)
I am a gnostic atheist and a gnostic Baha'i.
I know (gnosis) what Baha'ullah states, therefore I know (gnosis) that God doesn't exist.
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