(July 19, 2014 at 5:20 am)Confused Ape Wrote: Are you getting confused about the Earth's Magnetic Field?

Here we have hypothesis from a materialistic-scientific point of view

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_hypothesis
Pole shift hypotheses are not the same as geomagnetic reversal, the periodic reversal of the Earth's magnetic field (effectively switching the north and south magnetic poles).


........and here we have hypothesis from a scientific-spiritual point of view
http://proutglobe.org/2011/05/the-poles-...positions/

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(July 18, 2014 at 6:09 pm)Natachan Wrote: A) Cholesterol is a vital chemical produces by our bodies that performs several vital functions such as building cell walls and repairing wounds. The "bad" cholesterol is actually oxidized due to, you guessed it, processed carbs and corn starches.
B) Saturated animal fat is used in building nervous system tissue as well as in providing energy. Our bodies love the stuff and eating some is necessary for us.

Just a tiny query Nat.
How come that the hospitals cardiac and vascular units are full of omnivores people?
I know that you are 100% correct but i need some help in understanding how the system works and of course you are the right person that can explain this detail.

(July 18, 2014 at 9:55 am)Confused Ape Wrote: Chimpanzees and bonobos eat meat as well as termites. Chimps, bonobos and humans have a common ancestor which suggests that our common ancestor had an ape diet. Why is it OK for chimps and bonobos to eat meat and termites if humans aren't adapted to it?

Everything change with the time but the change is not the same for everybody so it is obvious that despite the fact that we have similarity with primates we in the past took a different course that lead us to where we are now.
I was born in a cold place but now after living in a warm climate my body would suffer a lot if i had to go back in that cold place.
The same apply to everything that affect body-mind.
The changes make us steer the course, sometime for the better sometime for the worse.

Quote:Don't be so bloody arrogant about people who don't live the same lifestyle as you.

Nothing really to do with arrogance.
It is a fact that the most innovative people have most of the time come from the rank of spirituality and very rarely from omnivores.
Shiva was the first spiritualist to give positive directions to humanity.
He teach how to progress physically-mentally and spiritually.
In a society where men were taking women with the brutal force he teach the marriage system.
He teach the 7 notes to play music and turn a brutal society into a sweet one.
He teach Ayurvedic medicine to heal diseases and yoga to progress in all spheres.
Leonardo DaVinci, Einstein and so many other follow and the list is too long to write.
As you can see i judge from a point of view of what meat can do and spirituality can do, all the rest is irrelevant.

Quote:You're the one who said that nature never makes mistakes.

Natural phenomena are not nature mistakes.
Everyone who born is due to die and this apply also to planets and stars.
Consciousness never born so she will never die even if and asteroid will kill the body so nothing is really lost.

Quote:If it's all cleverly planned, why start out with dinosaurs, kill them off and then start all over again evolving little mammals? You might as well evolve a species of dinosaur to get a brain equal to that of humans. I don't see why an ape is superior to a dinosaur.

It is all about consciousness more or less evolved.
The physical size of the creature mean absolutely nothing.
It remind me of the advent of the micro-technology.
The parts get smaller and smaller and at the same time carry more and more information so although the brain of a human may be smaller than the one of an animal it can carry more consciousness and so is the case of an ape compared to a dinosaur.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: Just a tiny query Nat.
How come that the hospitals cardiac and vascular units are full of omnivores people?

I'll try to speak slowly. Being an omnivore is what is called n-o-r-m-a-l. That means more people eat that way when they can than any other way. So take any cross section of the population and you should expect statistically to find more normal people than extremists. So there should be more omnivores in the cardiac ward just as there are everywhere else. What you need to show is that the percentage of people in cardiac wards is significantly higher than the population as a whole.

Can't say I didn't try.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: Just a tiny query Nat.
How come that the hospitals cardiac and vascular units are full of omnivores people?

Hmmm. . . maybe because 99% of people are omnivores? Don't you know that vegans have as bad heart disease as meat-eaters?

Tell me, what % of cancer victims in Hindu regions in India are vegetarian. Does that mean vegetables cause cancer?

(July 20, 2014 at 9:09 am)whateverist Wrote:

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: Just a tiny query Nat.
How come that the hospitals cardiac and vascular units are full of omnivores people?

I'll try to speak slowly. Being an omnivore is what is called n-o-r-m-a-l. That means more people eat that way when they can than any other way. So take any cross section of the population and you should expect statistically to find more normal people than extremists. So there should be more omnivores in the cardiac ward just as there are everywhere else. What you need to show is that the percentage of people in cardiac wards is significantly higher than the population as a whole.
Can't say I didn't try.

Considering that in the western countries the percentage omnivore-vegetarian is 95% compared to 5% it would be obvious to see a 5% of veg. in the Cardio units according to your Hypothesis.
But no, that is not the case.
In 24 years that i worked in medical centers i only saw 2 real veg. which equal to less than 1% of veg. so your hypothesis is flawed.

(July 20, 2014 at 9:09 am)whateverist Wrote:

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: Just a tiny query Nat.
How come that the hospitals cardiac and vascular units are full of omnivores people?

I'll try to speak slowly. Being an omnivore is what is called n-o-r-m-a-l. That means more people eat that way when they can than any other way. So take any cross section of the population and you should expect statistically to find more normal people than extremists. So there should be more omnivores in the cardiac ward just as there are everywhere else. What you need to show is that the percentage of people in cardiac wards is significantly higher than the population as a whole.

Can't say I didn't try.

Waaay too many long words there mate.

Quote:Considering that in the western countries the percentage omnivore-vegetarian is 95% compared to 5% it would be obvious to see a 5% of veg. in the Cardio units according to your Hypothesis.
But no, that is not the case.
In 24 years that i worked in medical centers i only saw 2 real veg. which equal to less than 1% of veg. so your hypothesis is flawed.

Cross post.

Told you.

(July 20, 2014 at 9:27 am)bennyboy Wrote:

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: Just a tiny query Nat.
How come that the hospitals cardiac and vascular units are full of omnivores people?

Hmmm. . . maybe because 99% of people are omnivores? Don't you know that vegans have as bad heart disease as meat-eaters?

As just explained above your hypothesis is flawed like whatever hypothesis.

Quote:Tell me, what % of cancer victims in Hindu regions in India are vegetarian. Does that mean vegetables cause cancer?

India has changed very much in the last 30-40 years.
Less and less people have remained real vegetarian with some exception like in Gujarat so the statistics can be very confusing.
Not long time ago i came across a Gujarati male nurse.
After a friendly chat i asked him.......are you vegetarian?
He was a bit embarrassed at the question but then he said......i was vegetarian but as i came to Australia and all my friends eat meat i also started eating meat.

It's always these damn no true vegetarians fucking everything up

(July 20, 2014 at 9:32 am)Riketto Wrote: But no, that is not the case.

Bullshit. Prove it.

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(July 20, 2014 at 9:45 am)Riketto Wrote:

(July 20, 2014 at 9:27 am)bennyboy Wrote: Hmmm. . . maybe because 99% of people are omnivores? Don't you know that vegans have as bad heart disease as meat-eaters?

As just explained above your hypothesis is flawed like whatever hypothesis.

Quote:Tell me, what % of cancer victims in Hindu regions in India are vegetarian. Does that mean vegetables cause cancer?

India has changed very much in the last 30-40 years.
Less and less people have remained real vegetarian with some exception like in Gujarat so the statistics can be very confusing.
Not long time ago i came across a Gujarati male nurse.
After a friendly chat i asked him.......are you vegetarian?
He was a bit embarrassed at the question but then he said......i was vegetarian but as i came to Australia and all my friends eat meat i also started eating meat.

I've identified your #1 problem. You cannot tell the difference between your own anecdotes and meaningful facts.

You keep talking about your experiences (especially in a hospital as though this is a meaningful basis for fact-- it's not). You haven't identified how you know who's vegetarian, you don't have a list, you don't have stats from your hospital or anywhere else.

You've also failed to CONTROL for correlation. For example, if someone is overweight and a meat-eater, and shows up in a hospital, what caused the disease? Is there a relationship betweeen heavy meat eating and other hedonistic tendancies, like alcohol consumption or cigarette smoking? Is there a socioeconomic relationship? Isn't it true that most Western vegetarians are younger than their meat-eating counterparts?

You need to stop pulling "facts" out of your ass, and spend some effort doing research that properly controls for these variables. If you don't, you're just another ignorant asshole with opinions founded on a hunch. I propose that I and everyone else in this thread respond to you only in terms of a list of basic logic errors that you make in each post. There's no need to address your ideas, because they are not connected to any identifiable reality.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: Here we have hypothesis from a materialistic-scientific point of view

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_hypothesis

After reading through that article it seems that the shift is another natural event and nobody really knows what causes it.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: ........and here we have hypothesis from a scientific-spiritual point of view

http://proutglobe.org/2011/05/the-poles-...positions/

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Quote:And if the magnetic order is disrupted, then certain remarkable changes, certain remarkable metamorphoses in the electromagnetic vibrations of this Earth and also of the entire solar system, will occur. As a result of this type of change in the electromagnetic vibrations, human thought waves will certainly be affected.

There's been enough research in neuroscience to show that all kinds of things can affect the human brain and cause hallucinations or religious visions. If those electromagnetic vibrations really do get underway, a lot more people could be seeing ghosts and UFOs.

(July 20, 2014 at 8:59 am)Riketto Wrote: Everything change with the time but the change is not the same for everybody so it is obvious that despite the fact that we have similarity with primates we in the past took a different course that lead us to where we are now.

And we kept on eating meat because we never lost the ability to do so.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: It is a fact that the most innovative people have most of the time come from the rank of spirituality and very rarely from omnivores.

Turning vegetarian didn't make Hitler more spiritual - Hitler And Vegetairanism

Quote:Towards the end of his life Adolf Hitler followed a vegetarian diet. It is not clear when he adopted it, since some accounts of his dietary habits prior to the Second World War indicate that he may have consumed meat. By 1938, Hitler's public image as a vegetarian was already being fostered and from at least 1941 he self-identified as a vegetarian. Personal accounts from people who knew Hitler and were familiar with his diet indicate that he did not consume meat as part of his diet during this period.

Goebbels also agreed with Hitler that ‘meat eating is a perversion in our human nature,’ and that Christianity was a ‘symptom of decay’, since it did not urge vegetarianism.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: Shiva was the first spiritualist to give positive directions to humanity.
He teach how to progress physically-mentally and spiritually.
In a society where men were taking women with the brutal force he teach the marriage system.
He teach the 7 notes to play music and turn a brutal society into a sweet one.
He teach Ayurvedic medicine to heal diseases and yoga to progress in all spheres.

According to legend. This isn't the same as proof that he actually existed and did all these things. After all, the Egyptian goddess Isis is supposed to have taught humans things like weaving and agriculture but that legend doesn't prove she really existed.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: Leonardo DaVinci, Einstein and so many other follow and the list is too long to write.

You're making the claim so it's up to you to write the list along with giving links to proof that all these people you're talking about really were vegetarians. I found out something interesting about Einstein, though.

Quote:The latest indications we have suggest that Einstein was vegetarian only for the last year or so of his life, though he appears to have supported the idea for many years before practising it himself.

This means that he did all his innovative work while he was eating meat.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: As you can see i judge from a point of view of what meat can do and spirituality can do, all the rest is irrelevant.

In other words you just believe anything that suits your outlook even if there's no proof to support it.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: Natural phenomena are not nature mistakes.
Everyone who born is due to die and this apply also to planets and stars.

That's part of the system. Humans evolved to be omnivores under nature's system so that's natural as well. If we aren't supposed to be omnivores then nature did make a mistake with us.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: It is all about consciousness more or less evolved.
The physical size of the creature mean absolutely nothing.

Dinosaurs were all sizes. If they hadn't been wiped out, one of the species could have evolved consciousness equal to human consciousness. I don't imagine there's any universal law that says only an ape species could have evolved our style of consciousness.