(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote: It is within it is outside and is everywhere.
The reason is that everything and everybody is in the mind of the cosmic consciousness according to yoga.

Can you actually prove this?

(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote: Once you overcome the idea that you are Mrs. Ape or someone separate from everything else then you really understand who you are.
A drop of water is separate from a billion of other drops but as soon as she get in the ocean then the separation end and you are the ocean and everything that exist.

Which sounds just like Jill Bolte Taylor's experience when she had a stroke which switched off her left brain perception.

(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote: You can study Jung psychology for 300 or 3000 years but you still can not reduce the distance that separate you the microcosm from the macrocosm unless you are able to raise your kundalini to the pineal gland and that require a lot more than psychology.

Jungian psychology is Transpersonal Psychology

Quote:Transpersonal psychology is a school of psychology that integrates the spiritual and transcendent aspects of the human experience with the framework of modern psychology. It is also possible to define it as a "spiritual psychology". The transpersonal is defined as "experiences in which the sense of identity or self extends beyond (trans) the individual or personal to encompass wider aspects of humankind, life, psyche or cosmos".[1] It has also been defined as "development beyond conventional, personal or individual levels".[2]

Issues considered in transpersonal psychology include spiritual self-development, self beyond the ego, peak experiences, mystical experiences, systemic trance, spiritual crises, spiritual evolution, religious conversion, altered states of consciousness, spiritual practices, and other sublime and/or unusually expanded experiences of living.The discipline attempts to describe and integrate spiritual experience within modern psychological theory and to formulate new theory to encompass such experience.

It's another way of reaching the God experience but people aren't obliged to believe in things like reincarnation etc. Neuroscience has shown that meditating Buddhist monks and praying Franciscan nuns have the same brain activity when using their own methods of getting there. This indicates that there's more ways of getting there than doing yoga.

(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote: You can study Jung psychology for 300 or 3000 years but you still can not reduce the distance that separate you the microcosm from the macrocosm unless you are able to raise your kundalini to the pineal gland

(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote: There are many many ways to cook an egg so the taste may differ but at the end an egg is an egg.
You can create a myriad of intellectual extravaganza but at the end you still are Mr. Stimbo with your degree of consciousness.
The radio example was all about understanding that until you set up a system in which you can grasp the treasure within you may not know that it exist.

"God" is a radio station like a cooked egg? You strive for deepities but your water wings get in the way.

But that's all beside the point, since you're trying to shift your burden of proof. It's not up to me to "set up a system in which you can grasp the treasure within you may not know that it exist" - it's up to you to demonstrate. with actual evidence, that such treasure is even there to be found in the first place. Until you've done that most basic thing, the discussion (such as it is) cannot profitably proceed.

(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote:

Quote:Where is the equivalent of the radio for "God", and how can you possibly know that it's that character you claim to perceive? I realise you're not actually in the business of forming cogent, or even coherent, sentences, but please don't give me your usual mouldy brand of platitudes and false bonhomie. I just ate.

Luckily you are not a real pistolero otherwise i would already be dead.

It's almost cute how you still haven't grasped my avatar choice yet.

(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote: There are many many drops of water around but sooner or later they all end up in the big ocean so it is not just me that perceive how the system work in this way.

Radioes, eggs, waterdrops - I'm sure you can me much more vague if you really tried.

(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote: It is all about the degree of consciousness that allow to perceive how the system works.
With little consciousness it is obvious that nothing is clear.
Why don't you ask yourself why there is a force within that push you to learn more all the time?
It is father Christmas or someone else?

Ah - I think we've finally got you to admit the source of your pseudo-intellectual inanities. What justification do you have for thinking that this force of which you speak is a 'someone'? Don't you see that by projecting the answer of "Father Xmas" onto me, in an attempt at ridicule, does not deflect scorn from your own arguments? We can see through your smokescreen; unlike you, it's not very thick.

(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote: You can study Jung psychology for 300 or 3000 years but you still can not reduce the distance that separate you the microcosm from the macrocosm unless you are able to raise your kundalini to the pineal gland and that require a lot more than psychology.

(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote: You can study Jung psychology for 300 or 3000 years but you still can not reduce the distance that separate you the microcosm from the macrocosm unless you are able to raise your kundalini to the pineal gland and that require a lot more than psychology.

Crunch crunch crunch. Thanks for this delicious word salad. I added lots of bacon

(August 2, 2014 at 12:31 pm)Confused Ape Wrote:

(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote: It is within it is outside and is everywhere.
The reason is that everything and everybody is in the mind of the cosmic consciousness according to yoga.

Can you actually prove this?

Awareness come with a lot of practice Ape.
Materially speaking i can give you a material object.
Mentally speaking i also can pass to you my ideas.
Spiritually speaking it is not possible to pass to you my or anybody else awareness as awareness is behind this material-physical-mental
situation and it is quite correct that it is so.
Your relationship with God (if you ever had one) is something personal as personal can be your relationship with your lover physically speaking.

Quote:Which sounds just like Jill Bolte Taylor's experience when she had a stroke which switched off her left brain perception.

The ways to Rome are many as are the ways to perceptions.

Quote:Jungian psychology ...................The discipline attempts to describe and integrate spiritual experience within modern psychological theory and to formulate new theory to encompass such experience.

Can't you see that it is all about theories?
Suppose you are interested in driving but you keep on learning the road rules without actually go inside a car and drive.
How do you think that you can ever go from point A to point B ?

Quote:It's another way of reaching the God experience but people aren't obliged to believe in things like reincarnation etc. Neuroscience has shown that meditating Buddhist monks and praying Franciscan nuns have the same brain activity when using their own methods of getting there. This indicates that there's more ways of getting there than doing yoga.

I already said in previous post that the way to Rome or to the human emancipation are many.
And i also said that yoga is not even the best way to reach the goal faster but it is the most practical.
Total service to help other is the best and other ways are also available.
One thing is however essential to reach human emancipation regardless the path that you choose and that is the desire to unite with Him.

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(August 2, 2014 at 1:36 pm)Stimbo Wrote: you're trying to shift your burden of proof.

If you would read my previous post you may have the answer to your question.
Awareness come with a lot of hard work but most of all come when there is a strong desire to get there.
Considering that you have no desire to get there it is obvious that you will never know until that time.
It is up to you to build up such an awareness and this has really nothing to do with shifting the burden of proof.

Quote:It's almost cute how you still haven't grasped my avatar choice yet.

First love last for ever mate.

Quote:Radioes, eggs, waterdrops - I'm sure you can me much more vague if you really tried.

It all depend with who i am talking about.
When i talk to people with a little bit of spiritual awareness i don't really need to make too many examples.

Quote:Ah - I think we've finally got you to admit the source of your pseudo-intellectual inanities. What justification do you have for thinking that this force of which you speak is a 'someone'? Don't you see that by projecting the answer of "Father Xmas" onto me, in an attempt at ridicule, does not deflect scorn from your own arguments? We can see through your smokescreen; unlike you, it's not very thick.

Again, when i speak with someone with a bit of spiritual awareness i come straight to the point.
Considering that your awareness it is only related to intellectual knowledge then it need a different approach.
Put in this way.
Everybody always strive for total happiness.
Most of the people however choose physical-material happiness.
The problem is that within this arena total happiness can not be found as everything is finite so the search continue for ever.
Idiots can not get out the idea that within a finite arena or situation the search will one day end.
It will never end so idiots keep on wasting their time searching and searching with no end in sight.
But not all is lost.
Even idiots have the chance to get out this blind alley if they wish so.
Now the question is whether there is someone who guide them or they just change their mind due to the impossibility to get out this blind alley.
Where would they go anyway if they think that this material world is everything?
Here come the border crossing between finite and infinity.
If you can not be happy within a finite arena or world then you start thinking about infinity but this require a cosmic mind and everything at this stage change.
But let the people think for themselves so they can work out what to do, what to think and how to cross this border.

(August 3, 2014 at 9:04 am)Riketto Wrote:

(August 2, 2014 at 12:31 pm)Confused Ape Wrote: Can you actually prove this?

Awareness come with a lot of practice Ape.
Materially speaking i can give you a material object.
Mentally speaking i also can pass to you my ideas.
Spiritually speaking it is not possible to pass to you my or anybody else awareness as awareness is behind this material-physical-mental
situation and it is quite correct that it is so.
Your relationship with God (if you ever had one) is something personal as personal can be your relationship with your lover physically speaking.

So, in other words you can't prove that God is outside and everywhere as well as within. The awareness is purely subjective so where and what God is has to be a belief. There's a remote possibility that it's a correct belief because your concept of God isn't one that's been disproved as yet. On the other hand, your interpretation of the subjective God experience could be wrong.

Quote:Which sounds just like Jill Bolte Taylor's experience when she had a stroke which switched off her left brain perception.

(August 3, 2014 at 9:04 am)Riketto Wrote: The ways to Rome are many as are the ways to perceptions.

I think her experience shows how the brain is involved. Maybe Ramachandran is right about the possibility of humans having a God antenna but that's not something that can be proved.

Quote:Jungian psychology ...................The discipline attempts to describe and integrate spiritual experience within modern psychological theory and to formulate new theory to encompass such experience.

(August 3, 2014 at 9:04 am)Riketto Wrote: Can't you see that it is all about theories?
Suppose you are interested in driving but you keep on learning the road rules without actually go inside a car and drive.
How do you think that you can ever go from point A to point B ?

The theory part is simply an explanation and labels for what's going on in the unconscious. When you make posts about yoga you're talking about the theory behind it and using labels like pineal gland and kundalini. Jungian psychology, like yoga, has to be applied which means getting inside the car and driving.

(August 3, 2014 at 9:04 am)Riketto Wrote: One thing is however essential to reach human emancipation regardless the path that you choose and that is the desire to unite with Him.

Why is God just a Him? If God is everywhere and in everything it will be Her and It as well.

(August 2, 2014 at 6:40 pm)Losty Wrote:

(August 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm)Riketto Wrote: You can study Jung psychology for 300 or 3000 years but you still can not reduce the distance that separate you the microcosm from the macrocosm unless you are able to raise your kundalini to the pineal gland and that require a lot more than psychology.

Crunch crunch crunch. Thanks for this delicious word salad. I added lots of bacon

Don't worry Losty. my kundalini will easily smash through your g spot and reach your pineal gland.

I'm all for deep smashing kundalinis, but maybe my pineal gland is just a little too deep.

My kundalini is so deep smashing, it has its own pineal gland. Or something.