(September 4, 2014 at 12:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 4, 2014 at 12:14 am)Jenny A Wrote: So what is the moral lesson of Cain and Abel?

Cain and Abel both make sacrifices to god. Abel is a hunter and brings meat. . . yum meat. Cain is a farmer and brings vegetables and grain. . . yum, yum, bread. But god is finds favor only in meat. God apparently demands blood. WHY?

You should notice that Cain is not mentioned in the genealogy of Adam which means he was not Adams son. The original sin was not about Eve eating fruit, but was about her having sexual relations with the serpent (before he was cursed, he was humanoid, not a snake). She then had sex with Adam, which is what caused them to realize they were naked.

The Bible says that "By faith Abel offered a more excellent sacrifice than Cain". In other words, Abel had a revelation that the original sin was a "blood" sin (which is what semen is) and only blood could atone for it, but Cain thought the original sin was about fruit, therefore he offered fruit as a sacrifice.

Which is why he was rejected.

I'm being brief, Hope that makes sense.

(September 4, 2014 at 12:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You should notice that Cain is not mentioned in the genealogy of Adam which means he was not Adams son.

So much for Gen 4:1.

(September 4, 2014 at 12:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: The original sin was not about Eve eating fruit, but was about her having sexual relations with the serpent (before he was cursed, he was humanoid, not a snake). She then had sex with Adam, which is what caused them to realize they were naked.

The Bible says that "By faith Abel offered a more excellent sacrifice than Cain". In other words, Abel had a revelation that the original sin was a "blood" sin (which is what semen is) and only blood could atone for it, but Cain thought the original sin was about fruit, therefore he offered fruit as a sacrifice.

Which is why he was rejected.

I'm being brief, Hope that makes sense.

Not at all, but thanks for playing.

(September 4, 2014 at 12:40 pm)Diablo Wrote:

(September 4, 2014 at 12:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You should notice that Cain is not mentioned in the genealogy of Adam which means he was not Adams son. The original sin was not about Eve eating fruit, but was about her having sexual relations with the serpent (before he was cursed, he was humanoid, not a snake). She then had sex with Adam, which is what caused them to realize they were naked.

The Bible says that "By faith Abel offered a more excellent sacrifice than Cain". In other words, Abel had a revelation that the original sin was a "blood" sin (which is what semen is) and only blood could atone for it, but Cain thought the original sin was about fruit, therefore he offered fruit as a sacrifice.

Which is why he was rejected.

I'm being brief, Hope that makes sense.

Care to offer anything constructive?

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(September 4, 2014 at 12:43 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(September 4, 2014 at 12:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You should notice that Cain is not mentioned in the genealogy of Adam which means he was not Adams son.

So much for Gen 4:1.

And where does it acknowledge that Cain is Adams son exactly? I'll do you one better.


1 John 3:12

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Now lets look at the genealogy

Genesis 5
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:


backwards from Methuselah
Luke 3
37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Two different genealogy's and no mention of Cain

(September 4, 2014 at 12:40 pm)Diablo Wrote:

(September 4, 2014 at 12:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: The original sin was not about Eve eating fruit, but was about her having sexual relations with the serpent (before he was cursed, he was humanoid, not a snake). She then had sex with Adam, which is what caused them to realize they were naked.

The Bible says that "By faith Abel offered a more excellent sacrifice than Cain". In other words, Abel had a revelation that the original sin was a "blood" sin (which is what semen is) and only blood could atone for it, but Cain thought the original sin was about fruit, therefore he offered fruit as a sacrifice.

Which is why he was rejected.

I'm being brief, Hope that makes sense.

Not at all, but thanks for playing.

Explain why "not at all"

Quote:1 John 3:12

You do realize that you are using one part of your silly book to "prove" another part?

Using that model I can prove that Jack and the Beanstalk was real.

(September 4, 2014 at 12:45 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 4, 2014 at 12:43 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: So much for Gen 4:1.

And where does it acknowledge that Cain is Adams son exactly? I'll do you one better.


1 John 3:12

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Now lets look at the genealogy

Genesis 5
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:


backwards from Methuselah
Luke 3
37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Two different genealogy's and no mention of Cain

The genealogy traces through the fictional Seth to get to the equally fictional Noah. That hardly precludes the fictional Cain from being descended from the fictional Adam in this story. Again, see Gen 4:1 which you haven't explained away.

(September 4, 2014 at 1:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:1 John 3:12

You do realize that you are using one part of your silly book to "prove" another part?

Using that model I can prove that Jack and the Beanstalk was real.

Correct.
If we were discussing Jack and the Beanstalk, and you claimed that Jack climbed a rope instead of the beanstalk, then it would make sense to look and see what it says on the book...no?

They are both works of fiction. A flying carpet could easily be inserted and have no impact on the story.

Try dealing in facts instead of fairy tales.

(September 4, 2014 at 1:05 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(September 4, 2014 at 12:45 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: And where does it acknowledge that Cain is Adams son exactly? I'll do you one better.


1 John 3:12

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Now lets look at the genealogy

Genesis 5
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:


backwards from Methuselah
Luke 3
37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Two different genealogy's and no mention of Cain

The genealogy traces through the fictional Seth to get to the equally fictional Noah. That hardly precludes the fictional Cain from being descended from the fictional Adam in this story. Again, see Gen 4:1 which you haven't explained away.

If you knew how the genealogy works, you would know that it traces the bloodline of the firstborn male, Abel is not in it because he died having no children, there is no reason Cain should not be included, unless he was not Adams son.

Also, about the part where Eve says (of Cain) "I have gotten a man from the Lord"

All life, good or bad, comes from God, so of course she "got a man form the Lord"

Anyways all you have to do is find where the bible acknowledges Cain as Adams son.

(September 4, 2014 at 12:14 am)Jenny A Wrote: But god is finds favor only in meat.

He loves the aroma of burning flesh.

(September 4, 2014 at 1:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote: They are both works of fiction. A flying carpet could easily be inserted and have no impact on the story.

Try dealing in facts instead of fairy tales.

My response is to the OP, who asked a question concerning the Bible, so therefore my answers will be according to the Bible. Apparently you're offended by that so why are you even here?

And btw, a flying carpet would impact the story of Jack and the beanstalk considerably.