(November 2, 2014 at 3:19 pm)dimaniac Wrote:

(November 2, 2014 at 3:13 pm)Beccs Wrote: Proof of this claim, please?

Proof that Earth is special, please.

She never claimed this. Answer her question or retract your claim, but do not put words into other people's mouths.

(November 2, 2014 at 3:19 pm)dimaniac Wrote:

Quote:I know I would.

You are shitty person then

You are an arrogant prick then. Why was that called for?

(November 2, 2014 at 3:20 pm)TaraJo Wrote: 2) Placement. We're at a perfect place where none of those nasty things can kill us.

There are 100 billion galaxies with 100 billion stars in every galaxy. There are plenty of perfect places in the universe

Quote:3) Distance. If the universe actually is infinite, yes, there is intelligent life out there. But it may very well be so far away that we'll never reach it. And vice versa; we're so far away from them, they'll never reach us.

Type II civilization can easily reach any star in the galaxy.

Quote:There is no hope in atheism

Hope for what? Kissing your godboy's ass for eternity.

Fuck the both of you.

(November 2, 2014 at 1:50 pm)Chad32 Wrote: As a christian, I assume you believe what was claimed in Genesis. That things were spoken into existence,

This is in itself very telling, speaking is a method of communication between at least two beings able to comprehend, so by there being a language that would point towards a number of different beings at the beginning.

Not one part of the story holds up to any scrutiny.

OP,

Let me summarize what you've said and you can tell me where I got it wrong:

Life began either naturally, or supernaturally. There is no middle possibility (Actually there is. A number of theists believe god created life using natural means, but I'm willing to ignore that for the moment). Because no one has created life in a lab or recorded it forming from inanimate matter, therefore life was created supernaturally.

The formula would be

If A than not B and if B than not A.

But, you have taken a gigantic leap and posited:

If there is no proof of A than B. That is illogical since there is no proof of B either and one could just as well say if no proof of B than A.

Let's apply your formula to something that really has no middle ground. I toss a coin here at my desk. It will land either heads up or tails up. But you can't see it. So if you can't prove it's heads, does that mean it's tails?

Or take a real world situation. For centuries humans applied your formula to lightning, i.e. we can't prove how it occurs naturally, therefore god did it. Now we can show how it is caused naturally. Surely you don't believe god did it until we discovered how nature does it.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Sure: the only way to forgive peoples' sins is to kill someone innocent;

It would only not be fair if Jesus didn't agree to do it. Jesus wasn't forced to be a sacrifice and die for the sins of mankind, he did so voluntarily.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: three beings are both separate and one at the same time;

They are separate in persons, but one in nature.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: a god capable of creating the universe exists

I fail to see the problem there.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: ; sacrifice of a son a good thing

Scripture is clear that Jesus voluntarily gave his life...the point of the whole matter is to demonstrate the LOVE he has for us.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: ; there is life after death

I fail to see the problem here.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: ; sacrificing a son is a real sacrifice if you can and do just bring him back to life

Well, his body died, didn't it (according to the "story")? When you do something you don't have to do for the greater good of someone else, that is a sacrifice.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: ; eternal hell is a just punishment for anything.

When you reject eternal life, the only thing left is eternal death. Eternal hell is for people that said "I dont need God, I don't believe in God, I don't want God".

And what is hell? Separation from God. You want it, you got it.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:10 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: [quote='Jenny A' pid='788152' dateline='1414953810']
It doesn't. I don't believe this: "billions of years ago before humanity, dead matter was floating around in space...and for whatever reason, suddenly, this dead matter "came to life". Not only did it come to life, but it came to life and began thinking, talking, and having sex.

Ok, so if you don't believe in God, and you don't believe in the above, what do you believe?

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Yes, but there are three possible beliefs: 1) it was supernatural; 2) it was natural; 3) I don't know.

"I don't know" isn't a belief. And if atheism is the "I don't know" position, then what is the difference between atheism and agnosticism?

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The fact that we can't demonstrate something now, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

What you are arguing is that if we don't know it must be god.

I am saying it is beyond the realm of science to demonstrate consciousness from unconsciousness, and life from nonlife. If there was a point at which absolutely no life existed whatsoever, there is no mechanism that would get you life from nonliving material...or consciousness from non-living material.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The funny thing about that is that science keeps usurping that position with one thing after another from the age of the earth, how it formed, how man evolved and so on.

Well, based on the history of my religion, ancient shepards were saying that the universe began to exist 5,000 years ago, when scientists were maintaining that the universe was static and eternal. So modern cosmology has just recently confirmed what creationists have been saying for thousands of years.

And I don't believe in evolution, btw.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Magic on the other hand is never a plausible solution. So far magic has never been demonstrated with scientific rigor.

Neither have abiogenesis.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: And there are only natural theories proves that the explanation must be supernatural? Hardly. There's nothing supernatural proven at all about anything.

Theists use argument, logical arguments as evidence for the existence of God.

1. Kalam argument
2. Ontological argument
3. Moral argument
4. Argument from Design
5. Argument from Consciousness
6. Argument based on the Historicity of Jesus Christ

to name a few.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Prove a god, any god, or anything supernatural and we'll talk.

I will soon. I am just getting my feet wet on here

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Only if by conceivable you mean it can be imagined. But it's just as easy to imagine life just popping into existence out of matter.

BUT, if that could happen, it should be described by natural law, and it should be able to be empirically demonstrated. But neither is the case, now is it?

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: In other words the fact that you can or can't image a thing has nothing to do with whether it happened.

Right, but if you can imagine it, that makes it POSSIBLE, because you can't imagine something that isn't logically possible. If you start off with nothing but dead matter, you will always have dead matter, because life requires a special "ingredient", a ingredient that the universe does not possess on its own.

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Whether life from non life will ever be demonstrated has yet to be seen. But that it hasn't yet, or even never will be, in no way proves the explanation is supernatural.

So basically, again, nature is smarter than humans. Nature was able to do something that intelligent human beings are unable to do. Is that it? Yes or no?

(November 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Show god necessarily exists and that sentence will make sense. Right now it's nonsense.

The Modal Ontological Argument.

(November 2, 2014 at 3:34 pm)dimaniac Wrote:

(November 2, 2014 at 3:20 pm)TaraJo Wrote: 2) Placement. We're at a perfect place where none of those nasty things can kill us.

There are 100 billion galaxies with 100 billion stars in every galaxy. There are plenty of perfect places in the universe

Quote:3) Distance. If the universe actually is infinite, yes, there is intelligent life out there. But it may very well be so far away that we'll never reach it. And vice versa; we're so far away from them, they'll never reach us.

Type II civilization can easily rich any star in the galaxy.

So discuss time. Why did you miss that one out?

I think sometimes folks forget just how 'big' space is.

Oh this is going to be good.

The indoctrination is strong in this one.

(November 2, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:There is no hope in atheism

Hope for what?

Continuing your family line, passing on genes, ensuring survival of humanity