(November 6, 2014 at 4:22 pm)Beccs Wrote:

Really? We're bringing up Stalin?

Yes, he was technically an atheist, though he and his buddies killed in the name of communism and control, not in the name of atheism.

Does that excuse what he and his ilk did? No.

And I will make a change in my terminology and apologise for that terminology. Replace "Muslims" with "Islamists" - which I will do from now on.

There have been reports from Sydney, my home town, of people in Muslim/Islamist garb knocking on peoples' doors in some suburbs asking if there are any members of the military living there.

This came out after the ISIS extremist group called for the murders of people in various countries, including Australia, and after our security services broke up a plot to murder random Australians on our streets. My brother's in the army, so if these door knockers truly were extremists prepared to carry out the attacks then families of people in the services are probably wise to lock their doors.

Don't try to tell me what I'll believe. You're not qualified to do so.

My statement on the default position comes from observations. No child/person I have ever spoken to about it has said "yes, I believed in a god before I ever encountered the god concept"

Finally, What the fuck is an msm?

An atheist needs a political system based also on pure atheism -like communism-, let us not forget that the communist parties require a person to be atheist/irreligious to carry on the missions of the party.

So technically, communism is a type of "political atheism". So no, atheism wasn't just a cute belief stalin had once.

Yes, Islamists is better than "Muslims". What is more better is to describe them for whom they really are : "TERRORISTS", or more accurately "isis supporters".

Just like in Mexico. The drug gangs that cause all the misery are not called "Christianists" or "Christian extremists" ; they are called for whom they really are : NARCOS & drug gangsters.
The same should be applied to isis and its supporters, mmmm ?

Like if I was your neighbor ; and saw some "ISIS supporters" attacking your home to kill your brother, and take you as a sex slave.. Do you think I won't defend your family ?

I will actually, because I'm NOT an "ISIS SUPPORTER/TERRORIST".
Do you see how names make us see things straight ?

The west -especially countries that hit Iraq- are stuck in deep shit because of their war crimes ; death cults have been formed to "seek & kill" any person who contributed to the destruction of Iraq.
One these cults is called "ISIS". Islam has nothing to do with it.

Above all, how many Muslims don't want to cut your head ? compared to those who want to ?

And tell your government not to allow third world trash into Australia, instead tell them to build a better immigration system that only allows regular people to come in.

The west has types of Islamists that I swear I never saw before, and you're talking to a guy who actually lived in Saudi Arabia for a while.

Smells like your governments need such people, to keep you living in terror for years to come..

Of course, terror is a very good investment in the business of "War on terror", which the west profits from it were in trillions, selling fear is a good industry ya know.

You...are aware many atheists are also Libertarians, right? Which is like, about as anti-communist as you can get. I don't know how you're taking our position on one question (whether or not you believe in a God) and then stretching that onto an entire political system.

(November 6, 2014 at 3:42 pm)AtlasS Wrote: If science & Islam don't fit each other , I'll be an atheist tomorrow.

Don't confuse yourself with skeptic, you are apologist, be proud of who you are and embrace it

I highly doubt that there is ANYTHING which would change you mind, like any other hard core theist you are not here to discuss things in order to change your mind or drop your religious believes when pressed with facts, you are here to convince others and perhaps strengthen your own resolve, there is nothing more then that happening here ...

I, on the other side do not wish, EVER, to refuse the facts of our reality or doubt myself in fear of loosing free ticket to eternity, if that is the price, this chap will never going to pay for it

(November 6, 2014 at 4:57 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You...are aware many atheists are also Libertarians, right? Which is like, about as anti-communist as you can get. I don't know how you're taking our position on one question (whether or not you believe in a God) and then stretching that onto an entire political system.

Not wanting to sound picky. But where do you get the many from?

I'm very Libertarian when it comes to social issues and civil liberties, but I'm certainly not Libertarian when it comes to corporations running unchecked.

I think there's a distinction between social and economic views.

(November 6, 2014 at 4:25 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Exactly : D now you understand me deer.
Why is it stupid ? because it leads you to think there's a great architect ?
Well this is what I believe..

Science is nothing but discovering the blueprints of god.

It's stupid because the goal of something is determined by us and we don't recognize design by its supposed goal. We recognize it by comparing it to things that we have designed ourselves. A caveman would not recognize an aeroplane as being designed because they would have never seen anything like it before.

(November 6, 2014 at 5:01 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 6, 2014 at 4:57 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You...are aware many atheists are also Libertarians, right? Which is like, about as anti-communist as you can get. I don't know how you're taking our position on one question (whether or not you believe in a God) and then stretching that onto an entire political system.

Not wanting to sound picky. But where do you get the many from?

I'm very Libertarian when it comes to social issues and civil liberties, but I'm certainly not Libertarian when it comes to corporations running unchecked.

I think there's a distinction between social and economic views.

Libertarian is about as descriptive as "Christian" is, it contains a ton of self-labeled people. I'm using Libertarianism as basically "Not communism" to show that his inference of atheism = communism is incorrect.

(November 6, 2014 at 5:04 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(November 6, 2014 at 5:01 pm)abaris Wrote: Not wanting to sound picky. But where do you get the many from?

I'm very Libertarian when it comes to social issues and civil liberties, but I'm certainly not Libertarian when it comes to corporations running unchecked.

I think there's a distinction between social and economic views.

Libertarian is about as descriptive as "Christian" is, it contains a ton of self-labeled people. I'm using Libertarianism as basically "Not communism" to show that his inference of atheism = communism is incorrect.

Well, yes. On that we can definitely agree.

Not that I think it will matter. Fucknuggets like him will look at Stalin and say atheism necessarily lead Stalin to commit the acts he did, but won't do the same for say...Bill Gates.

(November 6, 2014 at 4:57 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You...are aware many atheists are also Libertarians, right? Which is like, about as anti-communist as you can get. I don't know how you're taking our position on one question (whether or not you believe in a God) and then stretching that onto an entire political system.

It was an argument thrown by somebody else, that Muslims cut heads, which neither you -nor anybody else- stated that it's totally out of context, totally out of topic.

If you read what I wrote again, I said communism is a "political branch" that sprung from atheism, so, there gotta be Libertarians atheists, I don't know if they were "many".

FifthElement


I doubt it.

Why am I the person who is wrong ?
It's because you think you are the person who is right.

So, you too are here to strengthen your believe, or convince others to carry it.

Wait..maybe you're here because you look for good discussions around faith ? since multi-culturism is a good thing ?

You see, I'm here because of that.
But what to do to judgey people ?

Bad Wolf

Which is simply uncreative and stupid ; too. To copycat I mean.
The goal is not determined by us. The goal is what the implementation of the design actually "does".

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(November 6, 2014 at 5:08 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Not that I think it will matter. Fucknuggets like him will look at Stalin and say atheism necessarily lead Stalin to commit the acts he did, but won't do the same for say...Bill Gates.

I mean fuck me, hell yeah.

Just like most of you, blaming islam. Why can't I blame atheism ?

Put simply, atheism is just a position on one single question: Do you believe a God exists? There is no dogma or doctrine or methods or commandments or impetus to do anything, nor is there justification in atheism for any action. Atheism can't motivate an action (bad OR good) because it's literally just the lack of a belief. Actions are motivated by beliefs, and atheism is the lack belief.

Islam on the other hand, does have a proscribed method of moral life and does encourage its followers to do certain things.