(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: This god is alleged to be perfectly merciful; he is also alleged to have created Hell. Some conundrum, that.

I don't think omnibenovelence necessarily entails omni-mercifulness.

(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: This god is alleged to be all-knowing; he is also alleged to have created Satan to test men. Ought not an all-knowing god know the answer of the test already? And in that case, what use might he have in creating Satan -- unless he is evil himself and creates Satan in order to have a scapegoat?

God doesn't test us because he wants to know what will will do. He tests us for our own learning and understanding. If you fail the test that would be an inkling for you to say "ok, there are some areas that I need to work on"...and at the end of the day, the goal is to get better, and you get better by falling, getting back up, and learning so that when if the situation should arise again, you are better equipped in your response.

(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: This god is alleged to be both perfectly good and all powerful, yet he has created cancer

Cancer and other ailment is a result of the body being once good, and now in a state of constant decay. Second law of thermodynamics.

(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: , and doomed every human to death for the sins of the first two.

True Christians are not doomed to death...true Christians are saved from death.

(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: This god is alleged to be omnipresent -- yet you cannot find hide nor hair of him.

Um...of course you can't hide from something/someone that is omnipresent.

(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I could go on; ask if you see fit.

No, just quit while you are behind lol.

(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: You're clearly ignorant of the fact that amino acids have been found in comets, and meteorites.

They clearly form up in nature, unless you're wanting to argue that your little god throws them everywhere and only allows them to link up into genetic codes here in 'Murrica, fuck yeah.

Seriously: go buy an education. It's absolutely worth the money.

Apparently, you need the education. I asked where did amino acids come from, and you are telling me where they are found. Reading comprehension, people.

(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: If you're the best he can do, your god is scraping bottom of barrel. Seriously, your "arguments" were seen on AOL 16 years ago; your "arguments" have been dismissed for decades before that; and you don't even have the philosophical basis for your belief; you're clearly engaged in ex post facto rationalization.

I am the best at what I do..and I prove it by doing it.

(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: If you limit yourself to "apologetics", you're necessarily limiting yourself. Engage in free thought, subject your beliefs to limitless scrutiny, and be as unforgiving of your own preconceptions as you are of those who disagree with you.
If you can.

In the words of St. Peter, when some of the disciples deserted Jesus and Jesus asked Peter was he leaving too, and Peter said "Where else will I go, you have the words of eternal life" (John 6:60-71)

Well, where else do I need to go when I am following the man that has given me the free gift of eternal life?

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(November 9, 2014 at 9:58 am)LostLocke Wrote: Reality/the universe/the multiverse could give a rat's ass about our analogies, our philosophies, or thought experiments, etc.....

Analogies point out logical absurdities, and if you believe in logical absurdities, then you are lost.

(November 9, 2014 at 9:58 am)LostLocke Wrote: Sure, an infinite regress does pose certain 'logical' problems, and is hard to figure out. But if we find there is an infinite regress, guess what? That's our problem to figure out. Reality isn't going to go "Oh I'm sorry, this doesn't make sense to you? Here, let me change that..."

Thanks for admitting that it is a problem

(November 9, 2014 at 9:58 am)LostLocke Wrote: It's "illogical" to some people still that time doesn't not travel at a consistent speed. The fact that they find it "illogical" has zero bearing on the fact that it happens.

If it happens, then it can't be too damn illogical, now can it?

(November 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: God doesn't test us because he wants to know what will will do. He tests us for our own learning and understanding. If you fail the test that would be an inkling for you to say "ok, there are some areas that I need to work on"...and at the end of the day, the goal is to get better, and you get better by falling, getting back up, and learning so that when if the situation should arise again, you are better equipped in your response.

If god is all-knowing, he doesn't need his tests, because he already knows the outcome to the last detail before the person in question is even born.

And the "ok, there are some areas that I need to work on" argument is probably the weakest I've ever heard. Either he is all-knowing, all-powerful or he's not. If he is, there's nothing to improve on, since his creation should have been perfect in the first place.

(November 9, 2014 at 12:14 pm)Esquilax Wrote: In the meantime, care to debate me on the topic of evolution? Not, like, in thread, I mean an actual, formal, structured debate. We have an area for that here, it's been a while since it was used last... you seem to be under the impression that you're winning these little jousting sessions, so what reason do you have to decline?

I accept any debate you'd like to have on any topic that we've been discussing. If evolution is first, then by all means, set it off!!!

(November 9, 2014 at 11:22 am)His_Majesty Wrote: I don't foresee my arguments being refuted by any future developments in science or philosophy...or even history. So therefore I don't see me abandoning my beliefs in the future...at all.

Then it's not atheism that's unreasonable; it's you.

(November 9, 2014 at 11:22 am)His_Majesty Wrote:

(November 8, 2014 at 6:27 pm)abaris Wrote: And while we're at it.

Explain, why god would create such a vast universe, when all he cared about was that little blue ball and his Sims living there?

Seems like an awful waste of time, effort and energy. I'm mildly curious about the explanation you can come up with.

Maybe he wanted man to explore the vastness and wonders of his work..which is what they are doing. It is as if God created one big cosmic museum where man can marvel, explore, and learn.

(November 9, 2014 at 12:25 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:

(November 8, 2014 at 7:26 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: This god is alleged to be omnipresent -- yet you cannot find hide nor hair of him.

Um...of course you can't hide from something/someone that is omnipresent.

You can if you duck behind a tree in a limited space; say, a garden:

Genesis ch3 Wrote:3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

(November 9, 2014 at 12:38 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:

(November 9, 2014 at 12:14 pm)Esquilax Wrote: In the meantime, care to debate me on the topic of evolution? Not, like, in thread, I mean an actual, formal, structured debate. We have an area for that here, it's been a while since it was used last... you seem to be under the impression that you're winning these little jousting sessions, so what reason do you have to decline?

I accept any debate you'd like to have on any topic that we've been discussing. If evolution is first, then by all means, set it off!!!

Please, by the name of the One who is Noodly, let this happen!

(November 9, 2014 at 12:38 pm)His_Majesty Wrote:

(November 9, 2014 at 12:14 pm)Esquilax Wrote: In the meantime, care to debate me on the topic of evolution? Not, like, in thread, I mean an actual, formal, structured debate. We have an area for that here, it's been a while since it was used last... you seem to be under the impression that you're winning these little jousting sessions, so what reason do you have to decline?

I accept any debate you'd like to have on any topic that we've been discussing. If evolution is first, then by all means, set it off!!!

Sweet! I'll PM an admin and see about getting a thread opened up in the debate area. You know, you're the first creationist ever to take me up on this challenge.

I'll dust out all the cobwebs from the room and hoover the carpet. Oh, and we need more lemon Pledge.