(November 18, 2014 at 7:12 pm)lifesagift Wrote: My friend, IS and all other named variants are the caliphate... all muslims would die for this...

Obne word: bullshit. Look at the link, Parkers Tan provided.

(November 18, 2014 at 6:25 pm)lifesagift Wrote: What's your yardstick PT? look at the current news.... looking back to history is turning your back on the evil now... Ireland is peaceful, and Israel is effectively at war with Palestine... and at least being relatively restrained in it's response to constant attacks.

No, you missed my point. I'm asking you: do you hold any other group to the same standard of "marching in the street"?

(November 18, 2014 at 6:25 pm)lifesagift Wrote: I'm asking muslims that say they are peaceful to vociferously denounce acts by other muslims that are extremely violent... as they would against someone who drew a cartoon about their prophet !!

So, a simple verbal denunciation doesn't cut the mustard for you?

Did you march against the American invasion of Iraq? Does your not marching mean that you supported it?

The insistence on holding Muslims to a different standard than any other faith, or even your own faithless self --that double-standard is my target. Why do you hold it?

Having lived in two different Muslim nations for about five years all told, I can tell you that they're not all bloodthirsty extremists. Assuming that they are until the do something like march in the streets to convince you is unreasonable, when you have facts, and denunciations, at your fingertips.

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(November 18, 2014 at 7:12 pm)lifesagift Wrote: all muslims would die for this...

How many Muslims do you know?

How many Muslims have you lived amongst?

How many have you asked, "Will you die for this cause?"

Numbers, please. No bullshit, give us the hard facts upon which this sweeping pronouncement is based.

(November 18, 2014 at 7:16 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(November 18, 2014 at 6:25 pm)lifesagift Wrote: What's your yardstick PT? look at the current news.... looking back to history is turning your back on the evil now... Ireland is peaceful, and Israel is effectively at war with Palestine... and at least being relatively restrained in it's response to constant attacks.

No, you missed my point. I'm asking you: do you hold any other group to the same standard of "marching in the street"?

(November 18, 2014 at 6:25 pm)lifesagift Wrote: I'm asking muslims that say they are peaceful to vociferously denounce acts by other muslims that are extremely violent... as they would against someone who drew a cartoon about their prophet !!

So, a simple verbal denunciation doesn't cut the mustard for you?

Did you march against the American invasion of Iraq? Does your not marching mean that you supported it?

The insistence on holding Muslims to a different standard than any other faith, or even your own faithless self --that double-standard is my target. Why do you hold it?

Having lived in two different Muslim nations for about five years all told, I can tell you that they're not all bloodthirsty extremists. Assuming that they are until the do something like march in the streets to convince you is unreasonable, when you have facts, and denunciations, at your fingertips.

You've added a layer...

you say " I can tell you that they're not all bloodthirsty extremists. "

I didn't say that... I said the bloodthirsty extremeists are wrong

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(November 18, 2014 at 7:16 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(November 18, 2014 at 6:25 pm)lifesagift Wrote: What's your yardstick PT? look at the current news.... looking back to history is turning your back on the evil now... Ireland is peaceful, and Israel is effectively at war with Palestine... and at least being relatively restrained in it's response to constant attacks.

No, you missed my point. I'm asking you: do you hold any other group to the same standard of "marching in the street"?

(November 18, 2014 at 6:25 pm)lifesagift Wrote: I'm asking muslims that say they are peaceful to vociferously denounce acts by other muslims that are extremely violent... as they would against someone who drew a cartoon about their prophet !!

So, a simple verbal denunciation doesn't cut the mustard for you?

Did you march against the American invasion of Iraq? Does your not marching mean that you supported it?

The insistence on holding Muslims to a different standard than any other faith, or even your own faithless self --that double-standard is my target. Why do you hold it?

Having lived in two different Muslim nations for about five years all told, I can tell you that they're not all bloodthirsty extremists. Assuming that they are until the do something like march in the streets to convince you is unreasonable, when you have facts, and denunciations, at your fingertips.

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(November 18, 2014 at 7:12 pm)lifesagift Wrote: all muslims would die for this...

How many Muslims do you know?

How many Muslims have you lived amongst?

How many have you asked, "Will you die for this cause?"

Numbers, please. No bullshit, give us the hard facts upon which this sweeping pronouncement is based.

Isn't it funny how you can get aggressive to a western atheist for using the wrong word, but you're happy with this (seemingly):
http://video-islamic-state-stones-young-...d-adultery

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(November 18, 2014 at 7:14 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 18, 2014 at 7:12 pm)lifesagift Wrote: My friend, IS and all other named variants are the caliphate... all muslims would die for this...

Obne word: bullshit. Look at the link, Parkers Tan provided.

Ok I said all and should've said many, but what are you defending?

(November 18, 2014 at 12:38 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(November 17, 2014 at 12:03 am)Minimalist Wrote: I will be watching and listening carefully for all the moderates who protest the barbarism in the name of their precious religion.

Read it and weep.

http://www.cair.com/press-center/press-r...-isis.html

I read it. I also read a little further down and see where they "condemn" all the other beheadings.

Obviously, their "condemnation" means about as much as a fart in a hurricane.

When mohammed was depicted in a cartoon there were riots all over the world. Clearly, those fuckers know how to turn out a crowd. They didn't just issue a cut and paste press release.

lifesagift, let me put it this way:

Islam looks like it's passing through its own inquisition period. Fortunately, we're not talking about powerful states here so I don`t think the west will be affected, and I think this phase will be quick, because it's increasingly difficult to apply sharia law at the internet age.

Nothing to fear, all you have to do is watch less Fox News.

(November 18, 2014 at 7:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(November 18, 2014 at 12:38 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Read it and weep.

http://www.cair.com/press-center/press-r...-isis.html

I read it. I also read a little further down and see where they "condemn" all the other beheadings.

Obviously, their "condemnation" means about as much as a fart in a hurricane.

When mohammed was depicted in a cartoon there were riots all over the world. Clearly, those fuckers know how to turn out a crowd. They didn't just issue a cut and paste press release.

Exactly, a little of nothing !!

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(November 18, 2014 at 7:45 pm)Piscinin Wrote: lifesagift, let me put it this way:

Islam looks like it's passing through its own inquisition period. Fortunately, we're not talking about powerful states here so I don`t think the west will be affected, and I think this phase will be quick, because it's increasingly difficult to apply sharia law at the internet age.

Nothing to fear, all you have to do is watch less Fox News.

You just don't seem to live in a world where there are many sharia courts operating already, money distributed according to sharia, and halal mean only id many thousands of restaurants...


Plus groups trying to control completely western area according to sharia!


The thin end of the wedge !!

(November 18, 2014 at 7:23 pm)lifesagift Wrote: You've added a layer...

you say " I can tell you that they're not all bloodthirsty extremists. "

You were the one who said they would all die for the Caliphate.

(November 18, 2014 at 7:23 pm)lifesagift Wrote: I didn't say that... I said the bloodthirsty extremeists are wrong

You also said that you would only believe the moderates when they "marched in the streets".

I notice you still haven't answered my question: why do you hold them to a different standard than you abide for yourself? You certainly don't march in the streets whenever you find actions offensive. Indeed, you're sitting here online venting your ire on the Internet in this discussion.

Yet somehow, that is not good enough for Muslims who had nothing to do with those murders.

(November 18, 2014 at 7:23 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Isn't it funny how you can get aggressive to a western atheist for using the wrong word, but you're happy with this (seemingly):
http://video-islamic-state-stones-young-...d-adultery

Firstly, your link didn't work.

Secondly, I've called many things done by Muslims "atrocities", both at this forum and elsewhere, and if you want to argue that I've supported them, you'll need evidence. Link to a post of mine where I assert the propriety of a stoning, beheading or other atrocity committed by a Muslim. Just one. Go on ahead, I'll wait.

Thirdly, just because you're a western atheist doesn't exempt you from sloppy thinking, as you're so avidly demonstrating in this thread.

So, you can answer my question, or not: why do you insist on a double-standard for Muslims?

Oh, and while we're at it, you're right, saying "all Muslims" was stupid of you -- but it also gives insight into your thought processes. Had you been talking about any other group, would you have made the same error?

If "no", then you've found bias.

If "yes" is your answer, then you've found sloppy thinking.

Either way, you're better off for ditching the absolutist mentality and adopting a more nuanced approach.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Do you live in a muslim country?

If not, I repeat, what the fuck are you talking about? Where are these sharia courts?

(November 18, 2014 at 7:51 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:

(November 18, 2014 at 7:23 pm)lifesagift Wrote: You've added a layer...

you say " I can tell you that they're not all bloodthirsty extremists. "

You were the one who said they would all die for the Caliphate.

(November 18, 2014 at 7:23 pm)lifesagift Wrote: I didn't say that... I said the bloodthirsty extremeists are wrong

You also said that you would only believe the moderates when they "marched in the streets".

I notice you still haven't answered my question: why do you hold them to a different standard than you abide for yourself? You certainly don't march in the streets whenever you find actions offensive. Indeed, you're sitting here online venting your ire on the Internet in this discussion.

Yet somehow, that is not good enough for Muslims who had nothing to do with those murders.

(November 18, 2014 at 7:23 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Isn't it funny how you can get aggressive to a western atheist for using the wrong word, but you're happy with this (seemingly):
http://video-islamic-state-stones-young-...d-adultery

Firstly, your link didn't work.

Secondly, I've called many things done by Muslims "atrocities", both at this forum and elsewhere, and if you want to argue that I've supported them, you'll need evidence. Link to a post of mine where I assert the propriety of a stoning, beheading or other atrocity committed by a Muslim. Just one. Go on ahead, I'll wait.

Thirdly, just because you're a western atheist doesn't exempt you from sloppy thinking, as you're so avidly demonstrating in this thread.

So, you can answer my question, or not: why do you insist on a double-standard for Muslims?

Oh, and while we're at it, you're right, saying "all Muslims" was stupid of you -- but it also gives insight into your thought processes. Had you been talking about any other group, would you have made the same error?

If "no", then you've found bias.

If "yes" is your answer, then you've found sloppy thinking.

Either way, you're better off for ditching the absolutist mentality and adopting a more nuanced approach.

Get over yourself .. with your words and insults... you need to see an atrocity..

try
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/...nt-4475785

but if not google old man helps isis to take great big rocks and crush his daughters head in because he believes in a stupid god like allah.... and then come back and tell me my position in the world is wrong !

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(November 18, 2014 at 7:53 pm)Piscinin Wrote: What the fuck are you talking about?

Do you live in a muslim country?

If not, I repeat, what the fuck are you talking about? Where are these sharia courts?

Profanity, and not much substance... ?!
At least add some substance to your posts!

(November 18, 2014 at 7:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(November 18, 2014 at 12:38 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Read it and weep.

http://www.cair.com/press-center/press-r...-isis.html

I read it. I also read a little further down and see where they "condemn" all the other beheadings.

Obviously, their "condemnation" means about as much as a fart in a hurricane.

When mohammed was depicted in a cartoon there were riots all over the world. Clearly, those fuckers know how to turn out a crowd. They didn't just issue a cut and paste press release.

You asked for a denunciation, but obviously couldn't be bothered to go look for one yourself, which fact says a lot about you whether you like it or not. The fact that you dismiss one when it is presented, as you've regularly done in the past, indicates that you're unwilling to question your own premises. Incidentally, the fact that you cannot be bothered to do a ten-second google search supports that conclusion as well.

Pat yourself on the back for being rational, Minimalist. Congratulate yourself for your intellectual rigor.

Go on.