I doubt it's people like DeistPaladin. Somehow I don't see him as a rabble rouser.

My feelings about Ferguson are mixed. I strongly suspect the grand jury was right. None-the-less it is true that black people are in far more danger of being shot by the police, harassed by the police, pulled over by the police, searched by the police, charged with resisting arrest by the police, etc., etc., etc. than white people. That is a gross injustice. The law and it's enforcement should be color neutral. I don't think that Warren should be burned because black people suffer. Yet something must be done about the inequitable way in which this country is policed. It is unjust and it will continue to lead to further violence until it is fixed.

In fact, it's the usual story everywhere. I've read about the particular case, I've watched a lot of videos, news as well as commentaries, but as an outsider I can't really make up my mind about the case.

But it's pretty uaual for the police to get away with shooting unarmed people in my parts too. It gives the impression as if there's a judicial gap between what an ordinary citizen can get away with and what a cop is allowed to do.

(November 26, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(November 26, 2014 at 5:28 pm)Heywood Wrote: Who are these people? Its people like you DeistPaladin. Everytime you play the race card you're stoking up anger. Its people like you who sell and thrive on hate.

Do you intend to, you know, demonstrate that this is "playing the race card," rather than a legitimate observation?

DP has claimed that Obama was heckled at the State of the Union because he is black. DP has claimed that if Obama was white the republicans would work with him. DP has claimed that if Obama was white, there would not have been a birther movement against him.

What DP and many on the left do is try to use race to get some people to hate others in an attempt to bolster there political position and shame their opposition into silence. In doing so they raise racial tensions. When things explode...they claim they had nothing to do with it. Well from my perspective they did.

(November 26, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(November 26, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Do you intend to, you know, demonstrate that this is "playing the race card," rather than a legitimate observation?

DP has claimed that Obama was heckled at the State of the Union because he is black. DP has claimed that if Obama was white the republicans would work with him. DP has claimed that if Obama was white, there would not have been a birther movement against him.

What DP and many on the left do is try to use race to get some people to hate others in an attempt to bolster there political position and shame their opposition into silence. In doing so they raise racial tensions. When things explode...they claim they had nothing to do with it. Well from my perspective they did.

So... no? You don't intend to do any demonstrating? You just want to make some observations of things DP has done in the past, assume your conclusion that all of them were just "playing the race card" by fiat, and then present your opinion as fact based on nothing?

Got anything that isn't a circular argument or baseless assertion?

(November 26, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Heywood Wrote: DP has claimed that Obama was heckled at the State of the Union because he is black. DP has claimed that if Obama was white the republicans would work with him. DP has claimed that if Obama was white, there would not have been a birther movement against him.

...and that caused all the riots and racial tensions in America. Aw bummer. Don't I just feel ashamed of myself now.

That was sarcasm, by the way, in case you didn't realize.

(November 26, 2014 at 6:03 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(November 26, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Heywood Wrote: DP has claimed that Obama was heckled at the State of the Union because he is black. DP has claimed that if Obama was white the republicans would work with him. DP has claimed that if Obama was white, there would not have been a birther movement against him.

...and that caused all the riots and racial tensions in America. Aw bummer. Don't I just feel ashamed of myself now.

That was sarcasm, by the way, in case you didn't realize.

When you and others on the left stoop to the despicable tactic of playing the race card.....that adds to racial tension. You pour gasoline on the building then claim you had nothing to do with it burning down because you didn't lite the match.

(November 26, 2014 at 6:07 pm)Heywood Wrote: When you and others on the left stoop to the despicable tactic of playing the race card.....that adds to racial tension. You pour gasoline on the building then claim you had nothing to do with it burning down because you didn't lite the match.

Yeah, my discussing racial issues in America and our continued problem in how we treat certain people have caused all these problems. Travon Martin would still be alive today if only I hadn't shot my mouth off. I just feel so bad about it all now.

I think I'll write an open letter of apology immediately to the family of Travon Martin and the community of Ferguson. It's all my fault. By discussing openly whether America still has a problem with race and a continued existence of white privilege, I caused the death of Travon and the unrest in Ferguson. If only I had just acted like the conservative pundits and pretended we lived in a perfect post-racial society. Just by pronouncing it so, that would have made it so.

After all, the best way to deal with social problems in a society is to pretend they don't exist. Talking about it openly only makes it worse.

(November 26, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Heywood Wrote:

(November 26, 2014 at 5:36 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Do you intend to, you know, demonstrate that this is "playing the race card," rather than a legitimate observation?

DP has claimed that Obama was heckled at the State of the Union because he is black. DP has claimed that if Obama was white the republicans would work with him. DP has claimed that if Obama was white, there would not have been a birther movement against him.

What DP and many on the left do is try to use race to get some people to hate others in an attempt to bolster there political position and shame their opposition into silence. In doing so they raise racial tensions. When things explode...they claim they had nothing to do with it. Well from my perspective they did.

Probably because you don't see the issues until after the fact. It's not the first time I've noticed this tendency of yours.

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(November 26, 2014 at 6:21 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(November 26, 2014 at 6:07 pm)Heywood Wrote: When you and others on the left stoop to the despicable tactic of playing the race card.....that adds to racial tension. You pour gasoline on the building then claim you had nothing to do with it burning down because you didn't lite the match.

Yeah, my discussing racial issues in America and our continued problem in how we treat certain people have caused all these problems. Travon Martin would still be alive today if only I hadn't shot my mouth off. I just feel so bad about it all now.

I think I'll write an open letter of apology immediately to the family of Travon Martin and the community of Ferguson. It's all my fault. By discussing openly whether America still has a problem with race and a continued existence of white privilege, I caused the death of Travon and the unrest in Ferguson. If only I had just acted like the conservative pundits and pretended we lived in a perfect post-racial society. Just by pronouncing it so, that would have made it so.

After all, the best way to deal with social problems in a society is to pretend they don't exist. Talking about it openly only makes it worse.

Don't forget to name-drop Rodney King's family, you little fucker.

(November 26, 2014 at 6:21 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Yeah, my discussing racial issues in America and our continued problem in how we treat certain people have caused all these problems. Travon Martin would still be alive today if only I hadn't shot my mouth off. I just feel so bad about it all now.

I think I'll write an open letter of apology immediately to the family of Travon Martin and the community of Ferguson. It's all my fault. By discussing openly whether America still has a problem with race and a continued existence of white privilege, I caused the death of Travon and the unrest in Ferguson. If only I had just acted like the conservative pundits and pretended we lived in a perfect post-racial society. Just by pronouncing it so, that would have made it so.

After all, the best way to deal with social problems in a society is to pretend they don't exist. Talking about it openly only makes it worse.

Making claims that republicans won't work with "President Blackenstien" isn't discussing race. It is using race as a means to demonize your political enemies by fermenting hate an anger. Then when the angry pot boils over....you claim you had nothing to do with that.

BULL FUCKING SHIT.

(November 26, 2014 at 6:07 pm)Heywood Wrote: When you and others on the left stoop to the despicable tactic of playing the race card.....that adds to racial tension. You pour gasoline on the building then claim you had nothing to do with it burning down because you didn't lite the match.

The match was lit on the plantation. The match was lit with Jim Crow. The match was lit with strange fruit. The match was lit with whites-only water fountains, glass ceilings, and police dogs on a bridge. The match was lit in Watts, in Selma, in Birmingham, in Mississippi, in Harlem.

You don't even realize: he's not pouring gasoline, he's calling the fire department. He's reaching you, at the switchboard, and you're saying, "oh, don't worry, there's no problem."

What sort of black person dismisses their own history? Two words, eight letters, and I'll let you figure it out.