Hey, welcome! I believe we're going to have lots of fun!

No one believes that one species can magically turn into another without repeatable experiments and blah blah blah.
Evolution is actually deeply rooted in statistics (frequency of alleles in a population) and has been proven with the aid of molecular genetics. Since I don't have much time right now, look up the Hardy/Weinberg theorem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy–Weinberg_principle

Basically, all it says is that a species stays largely the same if the 7 underlying assumptions of the theorem are respected. As soon as one of them stops being true, there will be a variation of the allelic frequencies in the population that, over time, might overlap with allelic variations of other genes. Thus, over the course of many, many (n)generations, there will eventually be a point when the variations that have added up are so many and so drastic, that the nth generation is significantly different from the 1st.

Bite me, I'm a biologist. Well, a student of bio(techno)logy. Oh well.

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I think your videos are going to be snipped. 30/30 rule

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Losty, did you bake those cookies? They look delicious!

Are you sure you want to go with denying evolution? It is a well established scientific fact, supported by multiple disciplines. The only way it could be false is if the entire scientific community is one big conspiracy. It seems like you're trying to pick between these options.

I would heavily advise a lot more research on evolution, and NOT from so-called christian scientists, who don't even know the first thing about it. No offence, but the way you talk about it highly points to you not having a good grasp of it.

(December 20, 2014 at 6:05 am)Lucanus Wrote: Hey, welcome! I believe we're going to have lots of fun!

No one believes that one species can magically turn into another without repeatable experiments and blah blah blah.
Evolution is actually deeply rooted in statistics (frequency of alleles in a population) and has been proven with the aid of molecular genetics. Since I don't have much time right now, look up the Hardy/Weinberg theorem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy–Weinberg_principle

Basically, all it says is that a species stays largely the same if the 7 underlying assumptions of the theorem are respected. As soon as one of them stops being true, there will be a variation of the allelic frequencies in the population that, over time, might overlap with allelic variations of other genes. Thus, over the course of many, many (n)generations, there will eventually be a point when the variations that have added up are so many and so drastic, that the nth generation is significantly different from the 1st.

Bite me, I'm a biologist. Well, a student of bio(techno)logy. Oh well.

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I think your videos are going to be snipped. 30/30 rule

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Losty, did you bake those cookies? They look delicious!

If there were successful repeatable, observable, verifiable scientific experiments demonstrating how it does not take a miracle for one species to turn into another species I feel certain there would be at least one documentary video on YouTube demonstrating this. I have not found any. So far, not a single atheist I have challenged has been able to produce any either.

So, it seems to me atheist blindly believe evolution to be a fact with no repeatable, observable, verifiable scientific experiments to back up their beliefs. It's 'take our word for it, evolution takes millions of years to happen'

Yet, apparently, the fossil records show that no changes worth noting have happened to MANY species over millions of years






However, I'm ready to be proven wrong. I mean, whether evolution is a fact or not has no bearing on my current life WHATSOEVER. My life continues on whether evolution is a fact or not.

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(December 20, 2014 at 6:38 am)robvalue Wrote: Are you sure you want to go with denying evolution? It is a well established scientific fact, supported by multiple disciplines. The only way it could be false is if the entire scientific community is one big conspiracy. It seems like you're trying to pick between these options.

I would heavily advise a lot more research on evolution, and NOT from so-called christian scientists, who don't even know the first thing about it. No offence, but the way you talk about it highly points to you not having a good grasp of it.

I AM NOT DENYING ANYTHING. I am merely suspicious of ANY scientific claim not backed up by repeatable, observable experiments. I now refuse to have blind faith in ANYONE, PERIOD!! No scientific experiments to back up a scientific claim and all you have is speculation. Presenting speculation as fact is the work of a CON MAN!!

You can do all the research you like, but if you are doing your research determined to blindly believe those trying to hide the facts all you are going to get is tricked!

Science has been trying to hide the fact that mercury is toxic and has no business being in cavity fillings for MANY YEARS. Slowly this scam is being exposed and all your precious research will NOT make mercury less toxic than it actually is, period! Let the toxicity of mercury be your example of how much you should trust science to be honest with you!

I would heavily advise you to get a proper science book about evolution, forget everything you think you know about it, and study it from scratch.

You said it yourself, the scientific method is how you establish truth. Evolution has been proven to be the one and only explanation, beyond reasonable doubt, and accepted by an overwhelming majority of (almost every) expert in the relevant fields. Multiple fields.

You said you like honesty, so here it is: you totally misunderstand evolution and appear to have picked up bits and pieces from people who don't understand it, coupled with some of the Christian propaganda which they put out because evolution debunks their belief system.

You can just ignore me if you want, that's fine. But if you are interested in the truth, you'll need to study a proper book on it. Maybe some members can recommend good ones to start with?

Otherwise, you're argueing and dismissing something you know next to nothing about.

Evolution is not just an idea, it is proven, and reproven, and continues to make correct predictions about new discoveries. It is nothing like creationism which is just a story.

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OK well, if you won't read a book about it, that's up to you. But I'm afraid I can't take your views on it seriously until you do.

It HAS been proven in repeatable experiments. You just don't know about them. Go learn! If you want links, I'll find links.

Sure, the government (not science) has suppressed certain knowledge. That doesn't mean all knowledge is suspect.

But what you do from here is up to you.

(December 20, 2014 at 6:52 am)robvalue Wrote: I would heavily advise you to get a proper science book about evolution, forget everything you think you know about it, and study it from scratch.

You said it yourself, the scientific method is how you establish truth. Evolution has been proven to be the one and only explanation, beyond reasonable doubt, and accepted by an overwhelming majority of (almost every) expert in the relevant fields. Multiple fields.

You said you like honesty, so here it is: you totally misunderstand evolution and appear to have picked up bits and pieces from people who don't understand it, coupled with some of the Christian propaganda which they put out because evolution debunks their belief system.

You can just ignore me if you want, that's fine. But if you are interested in the truth, you'll need to study a proper book on it. Maybe some members can recommend good ones to start with?

Otherwise, you're argueing and dismissing something you know next to nothing about.

Evolution is not just an idea, it is proven, and reproven, and continues to make correct predictions about new discoveries. It is nothing like creationism which is just a story.

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OK well, if you won't read a book about it, that's up to you. But I'm afraid I can't take your views on it seriously until you do.

Sure, the government (not science) has suppressed certain knowledge. That doesn't mean all knowledge is suspect.

But what you do from here is up to you.

That's like asking me to find out whether or not Islam is the true religion by reading a book produced by Muslims

REMEMBER: I AM NOT DENYING ANYTHING. I am merely suspicious of ANY scientific claim not backed up by repeatable, observable experiments. I now refuse to have blind faith in ANYONE, PERIOD!! No scientific experiments to back up a scientific claim and all you have is speculation. Presenting speculation as fact is the work of a CON MAN!!

You are right to be sceptical, but a "deny everything" approach won't get you anywhere. Follow the evidence. Evolution has so much evidence you could probably spend the rest of your life reading it. It's just not right under your nose, like how obvious Gravity is. But they are both considered as strong in truth.

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Fine, I give up. The evidence is there, but if you refuse to look at it, that's your problem I'm afraid.

Do you expect me to perform evolution for you in a forum post? How exactly can I do that? You are asking the impossible. You have to put work in to seek truth. Don't do it because I say so, do it because you want to learn.

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Atheists have nothing to gain by accepting well established scientific facts. We have no agenda. We just like to deal with reality.

(December 20, 2014 at 6:56 am)robvalue Wrote: You are right to be sceptical, but a "deny everything" approach won't get you anywhere. Follow the evidence. Evolution has so much evidence you could probably spend the rest of your life reading it. It's just not rut under your nose, like how obvious Gravity is. But they are both considered as strong in truth.

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Fine, I give up. The evidence is there, but if you refuse to look at it, that's your problem I'm afraid.

Sorry pal, but if you have no repeatable, observable, verifiable scientific experiments to back up the preposterous claim that one species can magically turn into another then all you have is a speculative mythology; and that's a scientific fact whether you want to admit it or not!

Here is the evidence

For the last time, there are experiments. They've been done. They demonstrate evolution. But you won't even look at them, even if I link them for you, so I'm done.

You aren't listening to a word I say, so sorry but goodbye.

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And for fucks sake, evolution does not say one species magically turns into another. That demonstrated a complete and utter misunderstanding of the very basics. You have entirely the wrong idea about what you are trying to dismiss. Now I'm done.

(December 20, 2014 at 7:00 am)robvalue Wrote: For the last time, there are experiments. They've been done. They demonstrate evolution. But you won't even look at them, even if I link them for you, so I'm done.

You aren't listening to a word I say, so sorry but goodbye.

YOU MAY RUN FROM THE TRUTH, BUT THE TRUTH WILL FIND YOU SOONER OR LATER!

HERE'S THE TRUTH:

I have found you Darwinian atheists to be EXTREMELY DISHONEST!!! We both know that if there were repeatable, observable, empirical scientific experiments clearly showing that it doesn't take a miracle for one species to transform into another species IT WOULD BE FRONT PAGE NEWS!!! The scientist who created the experiment WOULD WIN A NOBEL PRIZE!! He would probably be on the cover of Time Magazine as Man of the Year!!!

YOU KNOW THIS IS TRUE!!!

However, since you have no such scientific evidence you try to sweep it under the proverbial carpet and act as though it doesn't matter at all. THAT IS DISHONEST AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!

We also both know that if every isolated culture was discovered to be atheist you would be flaunting that as empirical evidence that God is a Western human creation. Since the very opposite is true you act as though it doesn't matter at all. THAT IS ALSO DISHONEST!!!

To blindly assume all people throughout human history have believed in some sort of creator God with no evidence whatsoever to convince them God exists is RIDICULOUS!!! Subjective evidence is indeed valid evidence. After all, consciousness is subjective and it is your consciousness that is deciding that subjective evidence is completely irrelevant!

WHETHER THEY ARE TRYING TO SCAM ME WITH RELIGION, SCIENCE, POLITICS OR ANYTHING ELSE IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT!! I HATE ANYONE WHO TRIES TO TRICK ME, PERIOD!!!

Wow OK, you kept up a good act, but you just blew any credibility you think you had. I'm hoping you're on a drug-fuelled paranoid high right now, because otherwise you're as deluded as the rest of them if this is you normally.

I can see why you have a problem with atheists, it's because you don't listen to anyone.

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