The people who claim a controlled demolition are idiots. And I say that as a structural engineering student specializing in steel construction.

In answer to the "if" question. Would it change my opinion of the Islamic terrorists? No. They would still be evil bastards just for the stuff they've done since. Would it change my opinion of the US government? Yeah. I would be a) stunned they could pull it off successfully without getting caught, and b) stunned at the sheer stupidity of it on their part. Really, dropping the US into a recession, losing tons of money from their own pockets, all on the chance they MIGHT get congress to declare war on an unrelated country when there were and are tons of real terrorist organizations already trying to do exactly what they did.

Quote:Well Life, if your'e still around, the biggest smoking gun is one of the buildings that went down was not hit by anything.

Oh, horseshit. There is video showing the extensive damage to building #7 before it collapsed. Just because you're a jesus freak doesn't mean you have to be conned by every thing.

(January 3, 2015 at 9:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Oh, horseshit. There is video showing the extensive damage to building #7 before it collapsed. Just because you're a jesus freak doesn't mean you have to be conned by every thing.

He's proven time and time again, he's buying every conspiracy theory someone shits at his feet.

(January 3, 2015 at 9:29 pm)abaris Wrote:

(January 3, 2015 at 9:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Oh, horseshit. There is video showing the extensive damage to building #7 before it collapsed. Just because you're a jesus freak doesn't mean you have to be conned by every thing.

He's proven time and time again, he's buying every conspiracy theory someone shits at his feet.

Maybe the same people who faked the moon landing also faked 9/11.....

(January 3, 2015 at 9:30 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Maybe the same people who faked the moon landing also faked 9/11.....

Thanks for reminding me. I was momentarily at a loss what his last one has been.

Ahh Lostlocke, now you are hitting overdrive!
The people behind the curtain change but their method never changes.

(January 3, 2015 at 7:44 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(January 3, 2015 at 7:42 pm)abaris Wrote: Not if you have two brain cells to rub together.

I figured I was on dodgy ground... but I want to explore "if" it was a US conspiracy...

You can explore it, we can mock you.

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(January 3, 2015 at 8:57 pm)professor Wrote: Well Life, if your'e still around, the biggest smoking gun is one of the buildings that went down was not hit by anything.
If you punch in "architects and engineers for 911 truth" on youtube, you will get an earful.
Following the money on this one leads directly to war.
That is the first thing I look for.
Hey, I was sucked in like most everyone else.
Then the difficulties with the whole concept started to build.

Interesting that I recall reading a website some pilots did on the deal, reject the idea that anyone but a very lucky seasoned pilot could pull off hitting one of the buildings.

Once I was arguing with an idiot I know in real life about this and he brought up 'architects and engineers for 9/11 truth' so I did a little bit of research and found out that it was founded by someone who is neither, but rather a well known conspiracy theorist who wrote books on JFK and other subjects. To prove how meaningless this group is I also did almost no work to fake some credentials and signed myself onto the online petition as an architect (I have 0 architectural background). My name is actually on that list. They sure do some amazing research, those guys.

Who knows. their all mad.

(January 3, 2015 at 8:13 pm)lifesagift Wrote: I'm asking "what if"?

What if worms had machine guns? Birds wouldn't fuck with them.

What if it was an inside job? You'd not have much different from what you see now, because you'd be replacing one war Dubya lied us into with another war he lied us into.

You may as well ask, What if God exists? Because that is the sort of "evidence" you're going to be addressing.

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(January 3, 2015 at 8:36 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(January 3, 2015 at 8:30 pm)abaris Wrote: Good, since it really isn't worth any discussion.

No, more that you can't 'discuss' it

You can discuss it. But your points will be examined under a bright light.

Now, I wonder why you're trying to bail out on your own thread.

(January 3, 2015 at 7:41 pm)lifesagift Wrote: So I think I have a decent grasp of the religious problems we face. But living in the UK I'm somewhat adrift of political intent.
Those planes crashing into buildings is just obscene, whoever managed it.
But I want to explore the possibility that it was "created" by the US government, and not by Islamists... is this in any way feasible?

And aliens built the pyramids.

manowar