What steve are we talking about?

Yo, Steve-o, do you think we're all Obama-loving democrats, too?

Ok, I get it. My bad. So atheism doesn't have any tenets beyond "Atheism is lack of belief in a deity or deities". But I'm curious then. Are there atheists who disagree with what I mistakenly called tenets in my first post?

* There is no ultimate meaning.
* There is no ultimate basis for value.
* There is no ultimate intentionality associated with/in reality.

If so, I'd like to hear what those disagreements are.

Define "ultimate".

(January 6, 2015 at 9:28 am)Brian37 Wrote: But as far as our time while we are alive as individuals yes our lives have meaning. I find it absurd to think because we are finite we cannot enjoy the finite time we have.

I agree.

(January 6, 2015 at 9:28 am)Brian37 Wrote: So why would the thought of your non existence be anymore frightening?

I don't have a problem with my non-existence. I suspect that will be the case.

(January 6, 2015 at 10:41 am)*steve* Wrote: Ok, I get it. My bad. So atheism doesn't have any tenets beyond "Atheism is lack of belief in a deity or deities". But I'm curious then. Are there atheists who disagree with what I mistakenly called tenets in my first post?

* There is no ultimate meaning.
* There is no ultimate basis for value.
* There is no ultimate intentionality associated with/in reality.

If so, I'd like to hear what those disagreements are.

What precisely do you mean by ultimate?

(January 6, 2015 at 10:42 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Define "ultimate".

Good question. Perhaps something like, "that which all else is based on". Or "the final ontological stopping point."

So, is there a "purpose" to life "upon which all else is based"? Doesn't seem to be any reason to think so, so I don't believe that, no. There's no need to consider my life or anyone else's as contingent upon some objective or absolute, externally-created purpose. I create my own purpose; whether or not it's ultimate is something about which I don't give a shit.

As to your other two "points", you'll have to describe them more. What the hell is a "ultimate basis for value" or an "ultimate intentionality associated with reality"?

(January 6, 2015 at 10:58 am)*steve* Wrote:

(January 6, 2015 at 10:42 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Define "ultimate".

Good question. Perhaps something like, "that which all else is based on"
Or "the final ontological stopping point."

Why can't I simply define my opinion to be either of those things? I'm still wondering whether these statements aren't empty.

(January 6, 2015 at 10:54 am)Alex K Wrote: What precisely do you mean by ultimate?

Take the US Supreme Court as metaphor for it. That court is the final adjudicator for what is consistent with the constitution and what is not. There is no higher authority that can be appealed to in that adjudication. It stops there.