(January 12, 2015 at 1:45 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Are Mormons Christian?

Quote:Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unequivocally affirm themselves to be Christians. They worship God the Eternal Father in the name of Jesus Christ.

Ahh, but they don't have the Drich Seal of True Christianity©.

(January 12, 2015 at 1:39 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: We can't look inside someone's heart to see what they honestly believe,

But again you can look at the tenaments of their faith and make an educated declaration by what they practice.

Quote:combined with the fact that Christians have been telling other Christians that they aren't really Christians for thousands of years. If someone claims to be a Christian, I don't really have any reason to disbelieve them, especially considering the fact that it's not our job to evaluate each claimant to see if he/she is a True Christian™. I'll still ask the same questions about their specific beliefs in order to discuss what they actually believe, but it's not my problem what label they want to use. If there's a sect of Christianity that has a fixation on the divinity of a Jesus-based scat fetish that somehow brings them closer to God, that might (and would) seem crazy as shit to me (hehe), but there's no rubric for evaluating who is a 'real' Christian, so the Jesus Scatologists can join the other 40,000 sects.

Again in the case of the mormons they supposedly follow the teaching of Moroni, and the Thrid testament which has nothing to do with
Christianity, that is why they adopted the name of Mormon rather than Christian

(January 12, 2015 at 1:36 pm)Drich Wrote: long time no see! welcome back

Hows my favorite agitator been?
Still stirring the kettle I see

(January 12, 2015 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: Then please explain why you all defend say a Mormon's right to be called a Christian?

Well, personally, I can't defend a Mormon's right to be called a Christian. I think they basically only have a right to identify as Christian-esque due to the fact that their religion claims the bible and adds onto it.

So, I don't know.

(January 12, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Thrid testament which has nothing to do with
Christianity,

According to you, at least. According to them it's just the next installment after the NT. They still worship Jesus and accept the same God. And the "testaments of their faith" are still pretty consistent considering other Christians use the NT to get out of various OT rules, they use their Book of Moroni to understand their rules.

(January 12, 2015 at 1:36 pm)Drich Wrote: Is canonical a new word for you? It means biblically based... Mormons teach from the book of mormon (and several others) none of which are the bible.

You're predictably clueless regarding the beliefs of others. Lets ask the Mormons what they think about the bible, shall we?

http://www.mormon.org/faq/purpose-of-bible

Quote:Most of our scriptural writings have come through apostles and prophets. Through apostles and prophets, God has given His children sacred writings called scriptures. The scriptures can help you know God, His love for you, and His teachings. To the Christian world the most well-known collection of scriptures is the Holy Bible. In addition to the Bible, Latter-day Saints accept the following books as scripture:

B-mine.

So. I guess you're ignorant, in addition to not being a christian..which I've gotta say, is surprising...usually, the correlation runs another direction.

(January 12, 2015 at 1:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:What's with blurring the lines between those who claim Christianity and those who actually practice it?

All of you are full of shit. That does make for blurry lines.

Indeed, I file all religions in the same bin so what they call themselves is more or less irrelevant.

(January 12, 2015 at 1:47 pm)Drich Wrote:

(January 12, 2015 at 1:39 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: We can't look inside someone's heart to see what they honestly believe,

But again you can look at the tenaments of their faith and make an educated declaration by what they practice.

Quote:combined with the fact that Christians have been telling other Christians that they aren't really Christians for thousands of years. If someone claims to be a Christian, I don't really have any reason to disbelieve them, especially considering the fact that it's not our job to evaluate each claimant to see if he/she is a True Christian™. I'll still ask the same questions about their specific beliefs in order to discuss what they actually believe, but it's not my problem what label they want to use. If there's a sect of Christianity that has a fixation on the divinity of a Jesus-based scat fetish that somehow brings them closer to God, that might (and would) seem crazy as shit to me (hehe), but there's no rubric for evaluating who is a 'real' Christian, so the Jesus Scatologists can join the other 40,000 sects.

Again in the case of the mormons they supposedly follow the teaching of Moroni, and the Thrid testament which has nothing to do with
Christianity, that is why they adopted the name of Mormon rather than Christian

I guess you must have missed this:

(January 12, 2015 at 1:45 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Are Mormons Christian?

Quote:Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unequivocally affirm themselves to be Christians. They worship God the Eternal Father in the name of Jesus Christ.

(January 12, 2015 at 11:47 am)Drich Wrote: Just an open ended question.

What's with blurring the lines between those who claim Christianity and those who actually practice it? We've had a couple of recent examples of you guys assuming everyone who claims to be christian happens to be Christian just on their proclaimation. Why is this? I have brought up that Christ himself says in Mat 7 that not everyone who claims to be a follower is indeed a follower. What's more he even went so far as to say even some of those who do great things in His name are followers of Christ. But only those who do the will of the Father.

The only reason there is blurring of lines is because of Christians, like you, who want to disown Christians whose behavior doesn't neatly conform to your personal understanding of the narrative. No doubt that many such Christians are every bit as convinced they are doing God's will and that you are the apostate.

Quote:This means that a Follower of Christ is one who follows the instructions given to us to follow. Not anyone who just calls out 'Lord, Lord.'

This is just supreme hubris on your part, to assume without qualification that you correctly understand all the vagaries and ambiguities. I've asked you countless times to explain the basis on which you are sure you have the one true understanding of the Bible, to tell anyone else that theirs is incorrect.

Quote:I hope none of you think that God is bound by your understanding of some death bed effort on your part to keep you out of Hell.

Funny. I have the same reaction towards your refusal to act according to Mosaic law, and the fact that you teach others that it's not necessary to live by it, even though Jesus explicitly warns against doing both of these things.

You are no better than the people you criticize.

(January 12, 2015 at 1:45 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Are Mormons Christian?

Quote:Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unequivocally affirm themselves to be Christians. They worship God the Eternal Father in the name of Jesus Christ.

(From your own reference
3.Latter-day Saints do not believe scripture consists of the Holy Bible alone but have an expanded canon of scripture that includes the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

Further more Mormons believe that their cannon is open, meaning that the 'president' of Mormonism is in direct contact with God and can make changes as God changes his mind. Like the acceptance of Black people in 1979 (Prior to be anything other than white was a curse from God. The darker the skin the more God hated you)

Here is a quote from the last President of Mormonism on Jesus:
"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_B._Hinckley

In Mormonism, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and of you and me (McConkie, p. 192, 589). Also, in Mormon theology, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife, and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.

Very few, if any, of the 'different' Mormon doctrines are found in their Standard Works: the Bible, The Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price. Rather, they are taught by Mormons of high standing: prophets, apostles, members of the 70 Quorum. McConkie, for example, was a member of the 70's Quorum, a very high ranking Mormon, and wrote the book, Mormon Doctrine, from which much of the documentation for this is taken.

Monson The current President of the LDS has done/said nothing to correct Hinkley.