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(February 23, 2015 at 8:24 am)Riketto Wrote: Where you got the idea that i said that God is hiding?
Did i say that?
I think it's amusing that right after you say this, you once again try to explain why god is hiding. But okay... you're not saying that. *smirk*
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
(February 23, 2015 at 8:24 am)Riketto Wrote: Where you got the idea that i said that God is hiding?
Did i say that?
I think it's amusing that right after you say this, you once again try to explain why god is hiding. But okay... you're not saying that. *smirk*
Good, let us see where i said that God is hiding.
All i said is that God does not manifest in those who are not interested in him.
That is not hiding.
It is all about keeping well away from anyone who is not interested.
But for sure he is very well manifested in those who are interested in him.
It is all about reciprocation.
(March 18, 2015 at 9:21 am)Riketto Wrote: Good, let us see where i said that God is hiding.
Uh... you just did it again. Adding "that isn't hiding" when you have just described how he is hiding doesn't change that. It just makes you seem a bit confused. Or disingenuous. But your efforts are not wasted, because I'm thinking that if there was a god and he was hiding, your explanations would shame him to such a degree that he would have to show himself.
Wait... that means that you've proven god doesn't exist!
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
(March 17, 2015 at 1:16 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Pure bullshit. Please give me one example where the consciousness exist outside of a mind or a mind existing outside the brain.
I already said that the consciousness can live outside of a mind as proven by thousand of NDEs and i never said that the mind can live outside a brain so please stop asking the same question time and time again.
And I have repeated multiple times that NDEs are not reliable evidence since they are based on testimonies. Just like you don't take the thousands of UFO abductee's testimonies as reliable evidence, no one should take NDE's testimonies seriously. People experiencing NDE's have NOT PROVEN THAT THOSE EXPERIENCES OCCURRED OUTSIDE THE BRAIN.
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Quote:And you know because of ??? You pulled out of your guru's ass.
No, actually i know because i rely on maths and science.
The glands on top of the spinal cord are delivering the thinking and the consciousness so it is obvious that they are a lot more important and sophisticated than glands delivering sperm.
Your ASSERTING that the glands do "are delivering the thinking and the consciousness" NOT PROVING IT. Learn the difference.
Point out the irony/hypocrisy of "i know because i rely on maths and science" to your earlier post "even those who study physical science can not understand the real role." If you want to claim to be some genius that figured out something that all the other people who study it can't, by all means prove it to them. Until then, you're full of shit.
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Quote:Then your analogy doesn't apply.
It is obvious that according to an atheist anything that relate to God doesn't apply
Being there done that sur.
So carry on.
Wow, your thick. If your analogy is about how imaginary things don't actually exist, but god's imaginary things do. Then the analogy doesn't work.
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Quote:Prove it. Where is my computer without microprocessors?
Thousand of NDEs are prove of it.
Even the ex atheist confirm that.
All the thousand testimonies doesn't prove anything about top - down design (see UFO explanation above). I want my computer without microprocessors! What is taking so long to produce it?
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Quote:You can try this experiment by yourself.
Pour a glass of cordial in a container of water and see if the cordial get diluted or not in his potency.
The same apply with the pure consciousness and his outer layer like the mind.
Surgen for Christ sake why don't you think twice before to write something.
You only hurt yourself in this way. hock:
Quote:Let me go find my container of pure consciousness that I put next to the tooth fairy and try this experiment. :dodge: You still didn't answer the question, how is your view falsifiable?
You do this experiment every single day.
Even now that you are reading this post your mind try to find the correct answer to reply to my writing.
Your mind dig from your subconscious mind which is a lot more powerful than the outer mind itself.
You see surgen.
The more you try to talk bullshit and the more you sink in the quick sands.
Your not answering the question. How is your view falsifiable? What experiment can I do where outcome X results that your view is wrong?
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Quote:Let us put my analogies to the public and see what they think about.
Quote:If the public is the ultimate authority, I expect you to be christian. Christianity is the biggest religion. But you want your brand of bullshit to be immune to popular opinion.
These days most of the Christians are no longer fanatical like they used to be so it is very likely that they will express their judgement without so much bias.
So Islam is the correct religion because it is the second biggest and is "fanatical". So why aren't you a muslim?
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Quote:No wonder you don't like physical world, you don't even understand the simple stuff like different types of atoms. You cannot fathom the natural complexities and self-ordering that occurs from physical things. So you cling to bullshit notions of spirits in your antiquated understanding of the world.
Atoms will soon loose their importance.
In the near future people will care more about the smaller particles that compose the life in this universe like the microvita. http://microvita.org/
Pure unsupported, bathe-in-ignorance bullshit. This just shows how ignorant you are on what the physical world is and how it works.
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Quote:No you didn't. What you said is a dodge. Now answer the question, what make you think the universe cares two shits about you?
Again you are acting like a pupil with hearing and in this case with visual problems.
Sorry pal, if you want go back few pages and look at my answer.
I am not going to waste my time repeating the same thing time and time again.
You know your answer is crap that is the reason you don't want to talk about it. You don't have a good reason for thinking the universe cares is your satisfied. You just want it to. So you jumped into a ridiculous religion so you can ignore reality.
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Quote:Sorry sur but you are wrong again (again and again).
The reality doesn't change therefore can not be found in this physical universe where everything move and change.
What is real one minute is not real the next minute.
You get rid of the time and place and then you can find the real reality.
Quote:My glasses stopped being my glasses if a minute passes. That is insane. Oh look, a minute passed, and my glasses are still mine. Have you been stealing prescription medications from the supposed hospital you work at?
If the reality is in this universe than these guys would feel a lot of pain but they don't.
Now brother surgen do one thing.
Drink a relaxing chamomile tea.
Relax on your best cough and let your subconscious try to understand why this is possible.
And then let me know.
Your making less sense than previously. I didn't think it was possible, but you have have found a new low. Your statement has nothing to do with my previous response. Did your eyes glaze over as you stopped thinking and went with an arrogant statement? Typical pigeon tactic.
(March 18, 2015 at 5:50 am)Riketto Wrote: There is nothing wrong with things that change.
The wrong thing is to believe that among 100% change you can find something that DOESN"T change.
The river flows and flows.
Have you ever seen a river that all of a sudden stop flowing 100%?
Ever hear of winter?
Quote:How do you expect to find something that doesn't move and change within this physical reality?
Quote:With evidence.
Quote:Show me the evidence that there is something that doesn't move and change in this physical reality and i will cover you in pure gold.
No thanks.
Quote:As i just explain to brother surgen the real reality is unchangeable therefore it is obvious that your scientific method can not possibly understand the real reality.
Science is designed to study real reality.
If it can't study it, it ain't real.
Quote:By showing you that anything that move and change can not be the real reality it is obvious that the universe can not be the REAL reality.
From here even a demented idiot would understand that the REAL reality is elsewhere other than in this universe.
No.
(March 17, 2015 at 9:18 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The fact that you guys are still running in circles with this yahoo is impressive.
Quote:Plumb let me explain how the system in this case works.
Your outer mind being stuck in the corral of dogma think that rik is wrong but your real consciousness tell your outer mind to carry on knowing that the little rik is right so you carry on and on without knowing why.
But your deep consciousness knows for sure.
Again, no.
Notice I do not put forward any evidence to support this stance. I don't have to because neither did you.
What can be presented without evidence can be rejected without evidence.
(March 18, 2015 at 9:21 am)Riketto Wrote: Good, let us see where i said that God is hiding.
Uh... you just did it again. Adding "that isn't hiding" when you have just described how he is hiding doesn't change that. It just makes you seem a bit confused. Or disingenuous. But your efforts are not wasted, because I'm thinking that if there was a god and he was hiding, your explanations would shame him to such a degree that he would have to show himself.
Wait... that means that you've proven god doesn't exist!
I hope you are not drunk when you write all this bullshit.
I did........i did not........i did......i did not.........what the hell are you talking about?
Quote:v. hid (hĭd), hid·den (hĭd′n) or hid, hid·ing, hides
v.tr.
1. To put or keep out of sight or away from notice: hid the money in a sock.
2. To prevent the disclosure or recognition of; conceal: tried to hide the facts.
3. To cut off from sight; cover up: Clouds hid the stars. See Synonyms at block.
4. To avert (one's gaze), especially in shame or grief.
v.intr.
1. To keep oneself out of sight or notice.
2. To seek refuge or respite: "no place to hide from boredom or anger or loneliness" (Matt Teague).
What you describe god to be doing, is hiding.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
Quote:v. hid (hĭd), hid·den (hĭd′n) or hid, hid·ing, hides
v.tr.
1. To put or keep out of sight or away from notice: hid the money in a sock.
2. To prevent the disclosure or recognition of; conceal: tried to hide the facts.
3. To cut off from sight; cover up: Clouds hid the stars. See Synonyms at block.
4. To avert (one's gaze), especially in shame or grief.
v.intr.
1. To keep oneself out of sight or notice.
2. To seek refuge or respite: "no place to hide from boredom or anger or loneliness" (Matt Teague).
What you describe god to be doing, is hiding.
I explain how the system works according to yoga philosophy not according what physical science has so far discover or understood.
From a scientific point of view is therefore all not known.
According to yoga God act like a father towards his son.
Is not that the father is hiding anything.
It is that there is no point is delivering a big knowledge to a son that couldn't possibly understand such a knowledge.
But as soon as the son grows up more and more knowledge is delivered.
From the stone age to now more and more knowledge has been delivered because the son has grown up and in the future more and more knowledge will be delivered as the condition are ripe for the deliver.
Just imagine if God would have delivered rocket science to stone age people.
It wouldn't have had any use to them.
So let us not confuse the hiding with the real reason why God doesn't get manifested with all his power in anyone who is not ready to deal with his glory.
March 19, 2015 at 10:30 am (This post was last modified: March 19, 2015 at 10:31 am by Tonus.)
(March 19, 2015 at 9:00 am)Riketto Wrote: I hope you are not drunk when you write all this bullshit.
I did........i did not........i did......i did not.........what the hell are you talking about?
That is strange, I haven't been saying you "did... did not." I have consistently pointed out that you did. Are you sure you are not drunk when you are reading the replies? Or maybe ?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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