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Failure condition for god
April 5, 2015 at 1:25 pm
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2015 at 1:32 pm by robvalue.)
This is a question aimed at theists mainly but feel free to kick my ass whoever.
Can you give an example of a failure condition for God? By that, I mean some situation, event, universal setup... anything, that would not be evidence for God in your opinion?
The reason I ask, is no matter what happens, no matter what the outcome of anything, it's heralded as evidence. But if there are no failure conditions, then you can show God exists whether he actually does, or not. Hopefully anyone who cares about truth can see the problem with that.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 5, 2015 at 1:29 pm
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Sure, but I mean, a christian would still see an atheist as evidence for God, presumably. I'm trying to find out what a christian/muslim/whatever could experience that would not count.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 5, 2015 at 1:38 pm
Nothing we have yet experienced should be considered 'evidence' for God in the first place. Almost nothing we have discovered cannot be immediately explained by natural phenomena unfolding as a result of entropy, and the events that cannot yet be explained - ie, the 'cause' of the big bang - deserve better than a surrendering of the critical and inquisitive faculties of the human brain...better known as 'GodDidIt'.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 5, 2015 at 1:40 pm
(April 5, 2015 at 1:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote: What about when your suicide vest blows up while you are putting it on?
Nah, that's only evidence that God has a sense of humor.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 5, 2015 at 1:40 pm
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Iro: Sure, I don't think it is either. But a Christian can literally point to a tree and say it's evidence for God. I'm saying they have set the bar so low that it can't fail.
I'm asking them to show me there is a bar.
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RE: Failure condition for god
April 5, 2015 at 2:25 pm
If the fact that 1 child dies every 4 seconds (14 every minute and 21,000 every day) isn't enough to convince someone that "god" (as a being remotely concerned with humanity) doesn't exist, it's hard to imagine what could.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
